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From: Msavoritias <marinus.savoritias@disroot.org>
To: Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:30:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1596137401.28021.0@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ce44447-060f-ecd8-3578-b898c40fa3c5@riseup.net>


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I am well aware. Personally I rejected it because its not Copyleft.

MSavoritias

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 20:51, Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net> 
wrote:
> If you ever considered using Riot (newly renamed to Element), please
> note that Riot/Element has Electron and Electron is considered 
> nonfree.
> 
> Electron has Chromium in it but it doesn't include all licenses of
> Chromium so it's a violation of software freedom.
> 
> On 7/30/20 8:34 PM, Msavoritias wrote:
>>     Dino is not available for Android it seems though. On desktop 
>> there are
>>     choices.
>>     I wanted a client for Android so i searched on Google play and 
>> Fdroid
>>     but couldn't find one with acceptable design. Proprietary or 
>> otherwise.
>>     I understand that tech people don't care about UI/UX but we need 
>> some
>>     nice looking clients.
>>     Plus I have seen that there is a huge shift to Matrix for 
>> non-tech
>>     people.
>>     IRC and XMPP seem to stay into obscurity. XMPP would have been 
>> popular
>>     by now.
>>     And what good is a system if its not popular? I don't want to 
>> message
>>     my self.
>>     Matrix is the only protocol that is actively developed, is Free
>>     Software (although not AGPL-3), and seems to have a consensus by 
>> the
>>     wider community. Also the clients seem to decently designed.
>>     I'm saying all this because if we want to attract more Free 
>> Software
>>     users, like it or not we need a good presentation with good 
>> interface.
>>     otherwise we risk to fall into obscurity.
>>     No, Im not saying to use proprietary messaging to attract users.
>>     MSavoritias
>> 
>>     On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 04:37, Denver Gingerich 
>> <denver@ossguy.com <mailto:denver@ossguy.com>>
>>     wrote:
>> 
>>     On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 06:25:36PM +0200, Msavoritias wrote:
>> 
>>       On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:47, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via
>>       libreplanet-discuss <[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 
>> <mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>> wrote:
>>       Note: I don't speak for FSF, nor for GNU. Em 23/07/2020 18:56,
>>       Msavoritias escreveu: I would like to ask is it in the works 
>> to have
>>       an official FSF/GNU server in the future? Are there any 
>> blockers I
>>       can help with? FSF already has XMPP service for their associate
>>       members. I guess it comes down to personal preference but for 
>> me I
>>       didn't see the same features in all the clients I tried and 
>> almost
>>       all of them were badly designed. This doesn't help with 
>> convincing
>>       people to use XMPP.
>> 
>>     Where did you go to determine which XMPP clients to try? And 
>> which
>>     clients did you try? I believe there should be better resources 
>> to
>>     allow people to more easily find the best XMPP clients - I'm 
>> trying to
>>     do my part with the recommendations at 
>> [2]<https://jmp.chat/#clients>
>>     (for the free software service I run). In short, use Gajim or
>>     Conversations. If you want fancy design but less features, then 
>> Dino.
>>     Hopefully we can make these recommendations more widely-known so 
>> that
>>     people don't give up on XMPP. It's an excellent protocol and is 
>> very
>>     easy to use and featureful if you have the right client. Denver
>>     [3]<https://jmp.chat/>
>> 
>>  References
>> 
>>     1. <mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
>>     2. <https://jmp.chat/#clients>
>>     3. <https://jmp.chat/>
>> 
>> 
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   I am well aware. Personally I rejected it because its not Copyleft.
   MSavoritias

   On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 20:51, Ali Reza Hayati <hayati@riseup.net>
   wrote:

   If you ever considered using Riot (newly renamed to Element), please
   note that Riot/Element has Electron and Electron is considered nonfree.
   Electron has Chromium in it but it doesn't include all licenses of
   Chromium so it's a violation of software freedom. On 7/30/20 8:34 PM,
   Msavoritias wrote:

     Dino is not available for Android it seems though. On desktop there
     are choices. I wanted a client for Android so i searched on Google
     play and Fdroid but couldn't find one with acceptable design.
     Proprietary or otherwise. I understand that tech people don't care
     about UI/UX but we need some nice looking clients. Plus I have seen
     that there is a huge shift to Matrix for non-tech people. IRC and
     XMPP seem to stay into obscurity. XMPP would have been popular by
     now. And what good is a system if its not popular? I don't want to
     message my self. Matrix is the only protocol that is actively
     developed, is Free Software (although not AGPL-3), and seems to have
     a consensus by the wider community. Also the clients seem to
     decently designed. I'm saying all this because if we want to attract
     more Free Software users, like it or not we need a good presentation
     with good interface. otherwise we risk to fall into obscurity. No,
     Im not saying to use proprietary messaging to attract users.
     MSavoritias On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 04:37, Denver Gingerich
     <[1]denver@ossguy.com> wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 06:25:36PM
     +0200, Msavoritias wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:47, Adonay
     Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
     <[1][2]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote: Note: I don't
     speak for FSF, nor for GNU. Em 23/07/2020 18:56, Msavoritias
     escreveu: I would like to ask is it in the works to have an official
     FSF/GNU server in the future? Are there any blockers I can help
     with? FSF already has XMPP service for their associate members. I
     guess it comes down to personal preference but for me I didn't see
     the same features in all the clients I tried and almost all of them
     were badly designed. This doesn't help with convincing people to use
     XMPP. Where did you go to determine which XMPP clients to try? And
     which clients did you try? I believe there should be better
     resources to allow people to more easily find the best XMPP clients
     - I'm trying to do my part with the recommendations at
     [2][3]https://jmp.chat/#clients (for the free software service I
     run). In short, use Gajim or Conversations. If you want fancy design
     but less features, then Dino. Hopefully we can make these
     recommendations more widely-known so that people don't give up on
     XMPP. It's an excellent protocol and is very easy to use and
     featureful if you have the right client. Denver
     [3][4]https://jmp.chat/ References 1.
     [5]mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 2.
     [6]https://jmp.chat/#clients 3. [7]https://jmp.chat/
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     mailing list [8]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
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     s

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References

   1. mailto:denver@ossguy.com
   2. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   3. https://jmp.chat/#clients
   4. https://jmp.chat/
   5. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   6. https://jmp.chat/#clients
   7. https://jmp.chat/
   8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   9. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
  10. mailto:hayati@riseup.net
  11. http://www.alirezahayati.com/
  12. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  13. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-30 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-23 21:56 Matrix communication protocol Msavoritias
     [not found] ` <87eep1bw5k.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-07-24  8:37   ` Msavoritias
2020-07-25  7:07     ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-07-24 14:47 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
2020-07-29 16:25   ` Msavoritias
2020-07-30  4:37     ` Denver Gingerich
2020-07-30 16:04       ` Msavoritias
2020-07-30 16:21         ` Ali Reza Hayati
2020-07-30 19:30           ` Msavoritias [this message]
2020-07-30 16:27         ` Denver Gingerich
2020-07-30 19:51           ` Msavoritias
2020-07-31  3:00             ` Denver Gingerich
2020-07-31  8:58               ` Msavoritias
2020-07-31  9:12                 ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-07-31 19:20                   ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode)
2020-08-04 13:43                     ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
2020-08-04 21:03                       ` Msavoritias
2020-08-01 17:25                   ` Msavoritias
2020-08-01 17:34                     ` Denver Gingerich
2020-08-01 23:01                       ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-08-03 17:07                         ` Jean Louis
2020-08-04  7:09                           ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-08-04 20:41                           ` Msavoritias
2020-08-03 21:45                         ` Msavoritias
2020-08-04  7:08                           ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-08-04 20:52                             ` Msavoritias
2020-08-01 23:35                       ` Msavoritias
2020-08-04 13:07                 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
2020-08-04 13:16       ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss

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