From: Msavoritias <marinus.savoritias@disroot.org>
To: Denver Gingerich <denver@ossguy.com>
Cc: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno@hyperbola.info>,
libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: Matrix communication protocol.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:04:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1596125074.1189.0@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200730043725.GC25289@ossguy.com>
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Dino is not available for Android it seems though. On desktop there are
choices.
I wanted a client for Android so i searched on Google play and Fdroid
but couldn't find one with acceptable design. Proprietary or otherwise.
I understand that tech people don't care about UI/UX but we need some
nice looking clients.
Plus I have seen that there is a huge shift to Matrix for non-tech
people.
IRC and XMPP seem to stay into obscurity. XMPP would have been popular
by now.
And what good is a system if its not popular? I don't want to message
my self.
Matrix is the only protocol that is actively developed, is Free
Software (although not AGPL-3), and seems to have a consensus by the
wider community. Also the clients seem to decently designed.
I'm saying all this because if we want to attract more Free Software
users, like it or not we need a good presentation with good interface.
otherwise we risk to fall into obscurity.
No, Im not saying to use proprietary messaging to attract users.
MSavoritias
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 04:37, Denver Gingerich <denver@ossguy.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 06:25:36PM +0200, Msavoritias wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:47, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via
>> libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>> <mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Note: I don't speak for FSF, nor for GNU. Em 23/07/2020 18:56,
>> Msavoritias escreveu:
>>
>> I would like to ask is it in the works to have an official
>> FSF/GNU
>> server in the future? Are there any blockers I can help with?
>>
>> FSF already has XMPP service for their associate members.
>>
>> I guess it comes down to personal preference but for me I didn't
>> see
>> the same features in all the clients I tried and almost all of
>> them
>> were badly designed. This doesn't help with convincing people to
>> use
>> XMPP.
>
> Where did you go to determine which XMPP clients to try? And which
> clients did you try?
>
> I believe there should be better resources to allow people to more
> easily find the best XMPP clients - I'm trying to do my part with the
> recommendations at <https://jmp.chat/#clients> (for the free software
> service I run). In short, use Gajim or Conversations. If you want
> fancy design but less features, then Dino.
>
> Hopefully we can make these recommendations more widely-known so that
> people don't give up on XMPP. It's an excellent protocol and is very
> easy to use and featureful if you have the right client.
>
> Denver
> <https://jmp.chat/>
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Dino is not available for Android it seems though. On desktop there are
choices.
I wanted a client for Android so i searched on Google play and Fdroid
but couldn't find one with acceptable design. Proprietary or otherwise.
I understand that tech people don't care about UI/UX but we need some
nice looking clients.
Plus I have seen that there is a huge shift to Matrix for non-tech
people.
IRC and XMPP seem to stay into obscurity. XMPP would have been popular
by now.
And what good is a system if its not popular? I don't want to message
my self.
Matrix is the only protocol that is actively developed, is Free
Software (although not AGPL-3), and seems to have a consensus by the
wider community. Also the clients seem to decently designed.
I'm saying all this because if we want to attract more Free Software
users, like it or not we need a good presentation with good interface.
otherwise we risk to fall into obscurity.
No, Im not saying to use proprietary messaging to attract users.
MSavoritias
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 04:37, Denver Gingerich <denver@ossguy.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 06:25:36PM +0200, Msavoritias wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:47, Adonay Felipe Nogueira via
libreplanet-discuss <[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:
Note: I don't speak for FSF, nor for GNU. Em 23/07/2020 18:56,
Msavoritias escreveu: I would like to ask is it in the works to have
an official FSF/GNU server in the future? Are there any blockers I
can help with? FSF already has XMPP service for their associate
members. I guess it comes down to personal preference but for me I
didn't see the same features in all the clients I tried and almost
all of them were badly designed. This doesn't help with convincing
people to use XMPP.
Where did you go to determine which XMPP clients to try? And which
clients did you try? I believe there should be better resources to
allow people to more easily find the best XMPP clients - I'm trying to
do my part with the recommendations at [2]https://jmp.chat/#clients
(for the free software service I run). In short, use Gajim or
Conversations. If you want fancy design but less features, then Dino.
Hopefully we can make these recommendations more widely-known so that
people don't give up on XMPP. It's an excellent protocol and is very
easy to use and featureful if you have the right client. Denver
[3]https://jmp.chat/
References
1. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
2. https://jmp.chat/#clients
3. https://jmp.chat/
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Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-23 21:56 Matrix communication protocol Msavoritias
[not found] ` <87eep1bw5k.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-07-24 8:37 ` Msavoritias
2020-07-25 7:07 ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-07-24 14:47 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
2020-07-29 16:25 ` Msavoritias
2020-07-30 4:37 ` Denver Gingerich
2020-07-30 16:04 ` Msavoritias [this message]
2020-07-30 16:21 ` Ali Reza Hayati
2020-07-30 19:30 ` Msavoritias
2020-07-30 16:27 ` Denver Gingerich
2020-07-30 19:51 ` Msavoritias
2020-07-31 3:00 ` Denver Gingerich
2020-07-31 8:58 ` Msavoritias
2020-07-31 9:12 ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-07-31 19:20 ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on freenode)
2020-08-04 13:43 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
2020-08-04 21:03 ` Msavoritias
2020-08-01 17:25 ` Msavoritias
2020-08-01 17:34 ` Denver Gingerich
2020-08-01 23:01 ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-08-03 17:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-08-04 7:09 ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-08-04 20:41 ` Msavoritias
2020-08-03 21:45 ` Msavoritias
2020-08-04 7:08 ` Adrien Bourmault (neox on Freenode)
2020-08-04 20:52 ` Msavoritias
2020-08-01 23:35 ` Msavoritias
2020-08-04 13:07 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
2020-08-04 13:16 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss
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