Re: Is Stallman nuts?

From: Joel Holder <jclosure@gmail.com>
To: lily <hawaiianlily@protonmail.com>
Cc: quiliro@riseup.net, ole.aamot@gmail.com,
	adriennegayethompson@gmail.com,
	libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Stallman nuts?
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 00:30:50 -0500	[thread overview]
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Congratulations, I’m officially unsubscribing from this list because of
this stupid thread that will not stop spamming my inbox with emotionally
torked posery.

As I depart, I leave you with these words.  This is not twitter!  There
used to be netiquette and collegiality observed here.  We have a vision and
agenda to open minds and allow knowledge to flow where it will.  We are not
here to hero worship nor plant non topical trigger bait.

Learn to separate people from their ideas...

The movement stands on its own.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:07 PM lily via liber planet-discuss <
libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:

>    Earlier in this thread, I sent the message below (last paragraph). I
>    want to state that I have not been following the current issue of
>    Stallman's statements closely, nor have I been following the Epstein
>    case closely.
>    I am just a young woman who got involved in the Free Software movement,
>    because I want to help people attain freedom. Over the past decade I
>    have admired the work of Stallman and the FSF community. So much good
>    has come out of these efforts. I personally, have been able to reach a
>    freedom that I could only dream about as a little girl, because of free
>    software.
>    I do not wish to see us fight over things that would hurt the movement,
>    and I let my personal feelings get the best of me. I am the type of
>    person that believes all social issues are connected and really just
>    one issue. So the fighting, will only hurt us all.
>    Regardless of Stallman's resignation, I still see him at the heart of
>    the movement, but I also believe that the rest of us bear the
>    responsibility of carrying forth the message of freedom in technology
>    for protecting the freedoms of people. Furthermore, it is our
>    responsibility to see into the future and build a greater foundation of
>    principles and software to address more social issues.
>    I hope the community can agree with me on the point that we need
>    greater compassion and positivity continuing forward. Below is the
>    message I originally sent, for transparency of my actions.
>    Sincerely,
>    Lily
>    If it is true that Stallman called these victims as willing. I entirely
>    agree with Marry-Anne. The Free Software movement already lacks female
>    support and these comments will only push more women away. I as a woman
>    who has also suffered harrassment as a child and as an adult, do not
>    want a leader who says things that hurt women. Stallman, you cannot do
>    this. We as members must be strong and have someone else represent us
>    period. FSF should take a stand and provide support for women and
>    actively invite women to a space where we know we are supported,
>    believed in and respected.
>    -------- Original Message --------
>    On Sep 17, 2019, 11:03 AM, < quiliro@riseup.net> wrote:
>
>      On Tue, September 17, 2019 12:04 pm, Ole Aamot wrote:
>      > Actually I feel sorry now if what I posted was misinterpreted.
>
>      By me? No. I am sorry the message that campaigned against Richard by
>      MARY
>      ANNE WOLF made such a bad impression of him on people that have not
>      investigated the issue.
>
>      > Let's create a good and welcoming Libreplanet 2020 for everyone.
>      d:-)
>
>      That would be nice. Lets!
>
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>      s
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>    2. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
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   Congratulations, I’m officially unsubscribing from this list because of
   this stupid thread that will not stop spamming my inbox with
   emotionally torked posery.
   As I depart, I leave you with these words.  This is not twitter!  There
   used to be netiquette and collegiality observed here.  We have a vision
   and agenda to open minds and allow knowledge to flow where it will.  We
   are not here to hero worship nor plant non topical trigger bait.
   Learn to separate people from their ideas...
   The movement stands on its own.
   On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:07 PM lily via liber planet-discuss
   <[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:

        Earlier in this thread, I sent the message below (last
     paragraph). I
        want to state that I have not been following the current issue of
        Stallman's statements closely, nor have I been following the
     Epstein
        case closely.
        I am just a young woman who got involved in the Free Software
     movement,
        because I want to help people attain freedom. Over the past
     decade I
        have admired the work of Stallman and the FSF community. So much
     good
        has come out of these efforts. I personally, have been able to
     reach a
        freedom that I could only dream about as a little girl, because
     of free
        software.
        I do not wish to see us fight over things that would hurt the
     movement,
        and I let my personal feelings get the best of me. I am the type
     of
        person that believes all social issues are connected and really
     just
        one issue. So the fighting, will only hurt us all.
        Regardless of Stallman's resignation, I still see him at the
     heart of
        the movement, but I also believe that the rest of us bear the
        responsibility of carrying forth the message of freedom in
     technology
        for protecting the freedoms of people. Furthermore, it is our
        responsibility to see into the future and build a greater
     foundation of
        principles and software to address more social issues.
        I hope the community can agree with me on the point that we need
        greater compassion and positivity continuing forward. Below is
     the
        message I originally sent, for transparency of my actions.
        Sincerely,
        Lily
        If it is true that Stallman called these victims as willing. I
     entirely
        agree with Marry-Anne. The Free Software movement already lacks
     female
        support and these comments will only push more women away. I as a
     woman
        who has also suffered harrassment as a child and as an adult, do
     not
        want a leader who says things that hurt women. Stallman, you
     cannot do
        this. We as members must be strong and have someone else
     represent us
        period. FSF should take a stand and provide support for women and
        actively invite women to a space where we know we are supported,
        believed in and respected.
        -------- Original Message --------
        On Sep 17, 2019, 11:03 AM, < [2]quiliro@riseup.net> wrote:
          On Tue, September 17, 2019 12:04 pm, Ole Aamot wrote:
          > Actually I feel sorry now if what I posted was
     misinterpreted.
          By me? No. I am sorry the message that campaigned against
     Richard by
          MARY
          ANNE WOLF made such a bad impression of him on people that have
     not
          investigated the issue.
          > Let's create a good and welcoming Libreplanet 2020 for
     everyone.
          d:-)
          That would be nice. Lets!
          _______________________________________________
          libreplanet-discuss mailing list
          [1][3]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org

     [2][4]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-dis
     cus
          s
     References
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        2.
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     s
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   2. mailto:quiliro@riseup.net
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   4. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus
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