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From: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Jeremy Morton" <jeremy@configit.com>,
	"Carlos Martín Nieto" <cmn@elego.de>,
	"Thomas Rast" <trast@inf.ethz.ch>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git push default behaviour?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:54:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vpq8vjavvkt.fsf@bauges.imag.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vipie85nk.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:50:23 -0800")

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

>> to 200 students and several colleagues every year, I've tried teaching
>> the "one public repository per developer" and it was a complete disaster).
>
> Interesting.  I have a couple of questions.
>
> Who are these 200 people and what do they do with Git?  If the
> answer is "They work on a class assignment project, 20 teams of 10
> members each",

Teams are smaller, but that's essentially that, yes. I'm not saying it's
representative, my point just that I do have experience teaching Git to
new users.

> I am also curious to learn a bit more about "a complete disaster",

There are several points:

* It is often the case that one of the member of a team is more
  knowledgeable than others. Then, this user can set up a shared
  archive, and other users do not have to. When your project is
  open-source, it's rather easy to click GitHub's web interface and
  create a fork, but when it's a private project (and you don't want to
  pay), you have to do some kind of magic with ACLs or so to create a
  new repository. Doing this magic just once saves a lot of trouble.

  In practice, when working with colleagues (all being computer
  scientists), if I don't set up a shared repository, they just send me
  their files (yes, their files, not their patches :-( ) by email and
  ask me to do merges if needed.

* Users like to know where "the latest version" is. They are already
  confused by the fact that the last local revision may not be the same
  as the last remote one, and having multiple public repositories adds
  to the confusion.

> even though this question (and its answer) would not be directly
> relevant to this topic, as nobody is trying to convert projects to
> use the "publish to be pulled" model when the "push to the shared
> central repository" model is more appropriate for them.

Sure. I'm not saying in any way that the "shared repository" is
superior. Just that it's easier to grab for newbies.

-- 
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-09 11:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-08 10:01 git push default behaviour? Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:11 ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-08 10:13   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:28     ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:38       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:42         ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:43           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 18:22             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-08 18:35               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 19:03                 ` Andreas Krey
2012-03-08 19:29                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:05                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  9:50                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 11:28                       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-09 11:54                       ` Matthieu Moy [this message]
2012-03-09 14:42                       ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-19  6:02             ` Miles Bader
2012-03-19 16:12               ` Philippe Vaucher
2012-03-08 15:00           ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-08 15:26             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 17:49               ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 18:04                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  3:38                   ` Jeff King
2012-03-09  5:23                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  5:38                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:06                         ` demerphq
2012-03-09  8:48                           ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-09  9:50                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16  9:38                             ` Gelonida N
2012-03-09  8:25                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  8:31                         ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 10:01                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 20:21                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 10:25                           ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-09 18:30                             ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-09 21:08                               ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-10 21:05                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-11 20:26                                   ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12  8:47                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 11:22                                       ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12 12:46                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:11                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 15:10                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-10  6:16                               ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-12 15:13                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-12 16:37                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 17:53                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 18:37                                     ` Jeff King
2012-03-12 19:06                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 19:33                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 20:16                                         ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13  9:40                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13  9:36                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 21:30                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 22:54                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 13:50                                             ` Jeff King
2012-03-14 20:59                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:34                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 13:17                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 13:35                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 20:01                                             ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name (was: [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default) Stefan Haller
2012-03-14  9:10                                               ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 14:31                                           ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13 14:59                                           ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 17:41                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 19:15                                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-15  8:02                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-15 10:43                                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 15:02                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2012-03-13 21:35                                           ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 18:08                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14  4:46                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 12:47                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 17:29                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 17:49                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 20:44                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14  9:07                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 13:23                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 14:47                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 17:47                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-15  8:05                                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14  8:59                                       ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-14 14:00                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-09 11:26                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-03-16  8:51                           ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-16  9:43                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 12:05                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 12:42                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 21:48                                   ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-17 20:46                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-19 16:11                           ` Andrew Myers
2012-03-09  9:57                         ` git push default behaviour? Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 12:11                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 16:22                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 17:44                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 14:56                           ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-09 16:23                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 15:18                               ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-12  9:34                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:29                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:47                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 12:34                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 19:35                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-17 15:49                           ` Eric Hanchrow
2012-03-08 17:37             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 11:33         ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:34           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-13 15:27             ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-14 12:12               ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-14 17:16                 ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:54       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 12:12         ` demerphq
2012-03-17  9:36 ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-17  9:38   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-17  9:51     ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-18 10:26       ` Pavel Pospíšil

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