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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Dmitry Potapov" <dpotapov@gmail.com>,
	"Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>,
	"Carlos Martín Nieto" <cmn@elego.de>,
	"Jeremy Morton" <jeremy@configit.com>,
	"Thomas Rast" <trast@inf.ethz.ch>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git push default behaviour?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:22:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vobs57nij.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpq4ntyrn3c.fsf@bauges.imag.fr> (Matthieu Moy's message of "Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:11:03 +0100")

Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> writes:

> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> I can send a message saying "[...]" to the kernel list. Anybody could,
>> for that matter.
>
> That would have been something sensible to do a few years ago, but
> today, I think we are far, far beyond the point where Git was a tool
> meant primarily for kernel hackers. I don't think considering the kernel
> community as more important than other users will help making Git easy
> to use for bare mortals.

That is *EXACTLY* the issue.

The kernel is one example community that *I* can cover, and if we
were going to continue discussion, I'm willing to help doing so
because your change will *NEVER* work unless we spread the word to
*all* the relevant communities whose members may be negatively
affected.  That is what I am saying in the part you quoted.

But I obviously *WILL* *NOT* be able to do so for *all* communities
whose members may be negatively affected.

Let me repeat the part you omitted from your quote:

  One thing I refuse to do is to fight this battle alone for "let's
  change the default" folks, especially when I am not convinced that
  it is a good change to begin with. It is "let's change the
  default" folks' responsibility to help the legwork.

Now, you have realized that the kernel community is only one of the
places where "let's change the default" folks need to spread the
word and solicit their involvement, are you willing to do your part?

People will complain only after a change hits them, and tell us "We
didn't know that you will be making this stupid change." And having
this thread here does not count as "spreading the word".

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-09 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-08 10:01 git push default behaviour? Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:11 ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-08 10:13   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:28     ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:38       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:42         ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:43           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 18:22             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-08 18:35               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 19:03                 ` Andreas Krey
2012-03-08 19:29                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:05                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  9:50                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 11:28                       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-09 11:54                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 14:42                       ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-19  6:02             ` Miles Bader
2012-03-19 16:12               ` Philippe Vaucher
2012-03-08 15:00           ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-08 15:26             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 17:49               ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 18:04                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  3:38                   ` Jeff King
2012-03-09  5:23                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  5:38                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:06                         ` demerphq
2012-03-09  8:48                           ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-09  9:50                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16  9:38                             ` Gelonida N
2012-03-09  8:25                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  8:31                         ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 10:01                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 20:21                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 10:25                           ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-09 18:30                             ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-09 21:08                               ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-10 21:05                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-11 20:26                                   ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12  8:47                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 11:22                                       ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12 12:46                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:11                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 15:10                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-10  6:16                               ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-12 15:13                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-12 16:37                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 17:53                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 18:37                                     ` Jeff King
2012-03-12 19:06                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 19:33                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 20:16                                         ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13  9:40                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13  9:36                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 21:30                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 22:54                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 13:50                                             ` Jeff King
2012-03-14 20:59                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:34                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 13:17                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 13:35                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 20:01                                             ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name (was: [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default) Stefan Haller
2012-03-14  9:10                                               ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 14:31                                           ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13 14:59                                           ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 17:41                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 19:15                                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-15  8:02                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-15 10:43                                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 15:02                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2012-03-13 21:35                                           ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 18:08                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14  4:46                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 12:47                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 17:29                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 17:49                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 20:44                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14  9:07                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 13:23                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 14:47                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 17:47                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-15  8:05                                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14  8:59                                       ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-14 14:00                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-09 11:26                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-03-16  8:51                           ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-16  9:43                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 12:05                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 12:42                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 21:48                                   ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-17 20:46                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-19 16:11                           ` Andrew Myers
2012-03-09  9:57                         ` git push default behaviour? Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 12:11                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 16:22                             ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2012-03-09 17:44                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 14:56                           ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-09 16:23                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 15:18                               ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-12  9:34                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:29                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:47                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 12:34                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 19:35                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-17 15:49                           ` Eric Hanchrow
2012-03-08 17:37             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 11:33         ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:34           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-13 15:27             ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-14 12:12               ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-14 17:16                 ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:54       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 12:12         ` demerphq
2012-03-17  9:36 ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-17  9:38   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-17  9:51     ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-18 10:26       ` Pavel Pospíšil

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