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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Dmitry Potapov" <dpotapov@gmail.com>,
	"Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>,
	"Carlos Martín Nieto" <cmn@elego.de>,
	"Jeremy Morton" <jeremy@configit.com>,
	"Thomas Rast" <trast@inf.ethz.ch>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git push default behaviour?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:44:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7v7gyt7joo.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vobs57nij.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (Junio C. Hamano's message of "Fri, 09 Mar 2012 08:22:12 -0800")

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

> Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> writes:
>
>> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
>>
>>> I can send a message saying "[...]" to the kernel list. Anybody could,
>>> for that matter.
>> ...
> But I obviously *WILL* *NOT* be able to do so for *all* communities
> whose members may be negatively affected.

Oh, let's avoid any misunderstanding before it happens.

I am not saying that we need to get involvement only from people who
might like the current default.  If you read the "[...]" part you
omitted from your quote again, you will notice that the RFH message was
carefully crafted to take a neutral position, and solicit input from
both sides, and that was very much on purpose.

I was hoping that the reaction to my reply would be that "let's
change the default" folks to help polishing the wording of the RFH
message further, and post the final one to help spreading the word,
both in the forums of projects that will be helped by the change,
and of those that will be irritated by the change.

I didn't mean to suggest anybody to play politics by asking input
from only one side to skew the discussion, even though it is not
like we will decide by majority vote anyway.  Deciding in favor of
whichever position you happen to like is not the goal. Avoiding user
surprises and unnecessary harm is.

And that is why the lesson the older thread from 1.6.3-1.6.4 era
teaches us is important.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-09 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-08 10:01 git push default behaviour? Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:11 ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-08 10:13   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:28     ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:38       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:42         ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:43           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 18:22             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-08 18:35               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 19:03                 ` Andreas Krey
2012-03-08 19:29                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:05                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  9:50                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 11:28                       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-09 11:54                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 14:42                       ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-19  6:02             ` Miles Bader
2012-03-19 16:12               ` Philippe Vaucher
2012-03-08 15:00           ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-08 15:26             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 17:49               ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 18:04                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  3:38                   ` Jeff King
2012-03-09  5:23                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  5:38                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:06                         ` demerphq
2012-03-09  8:48                           ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-09  9:50                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16  9:38                             ` Gelonida N
2012-03-09  8:25                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  8:31                         ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 10:01                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 20:21                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 10:25                           ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-09 18:30                             ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-09 21:08                               ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-10 21:05                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-11 20:26                                   ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12  8:47                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 11:22                                       ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12 12:46                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:11                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 15:10                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-10  6:16                               ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-12 15:13                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-12 16:37                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 17:53                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 18:37                                     ` Jeff King
2012-03-12 19:06                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 19:33                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 20:16                                         ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13  9:40                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13  9:36                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 21:30                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 22:54                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 13:50                                             ` Jeff King
2012-03-14 20:59                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:34                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 13:17                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 13:35                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 20:01                                             ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name (was: [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default) Stefan Haller
2012-03-14  9:10                                               ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 14:31                                           ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13 14:59                                           ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 17:41                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 19:15                                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-15  8:02                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-15 10:43                                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 15:02                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2012-03-13 21:35                                           ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 18:08                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14  4:46                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 12:47                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 17:29                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 17:49                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 20:44                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14  9:07                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 13:23                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 14:47                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 17:47                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-15  8:05                                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14  8:59                                       ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-14 14:00                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-09 11:26                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-03-16  8:51                           ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-16  9:43                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 12:05                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 12:42                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 21:48                                   ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-17 20:46                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-19 16:11                           ` Andrew Myers
2012-03-09  9:57                         ` git push default behaviour? Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 12:11                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 16:22                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 17:44                               ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2012-03-09 14:56                           ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-09 16:23                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 15:18                               ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-12  9:34                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:29                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:47                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 12:34                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 19:35                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-17 15:49                           ` Eric Hanchrow
2012-03-08 17:37             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 11:33         ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:34           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-13 15:27             ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-14 12:12               ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-14 17:16                 ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:54       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 12:12         ` demerphq
2012-03-17  9:36 ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-17  9:38   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-17  9:51     ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-18 10:26       ` Pavel Pospíšil

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