* FSF individualism in Logic Magazine
@ 2019-09-17 17:51 Danny Spitzberg
2019-09-18 12:51 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
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From: Danny Spitzberg @ 2019-09-17 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all
this article <https://logicmag.io/failure/freedom-isnt-free/> on the
"failure" of free software ran last month (long before the recent scandal)
and offers what could be an important wake up call — especially in light of
the wild hand-wringing about RMS.
The following quote feels prescient:
“Free software pioneers like Stallman tended to approach the issue from an
individualized perspective, drawn from the 1970s-1980s hacker culture that
many of them came from: if you could change how enough hackers wrote and
used software, you could change the world. This highly personalized model
of social change proposed an individual solution to a structural problem,
which necessarily neglected the wider social context.”
As we look forward from this RMS fracas, I wonder how other folks here feel
about this article.
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Hi all
[1]this article on the "failure" of free software ran last month (long
before the recent scandal) and offers what could be an important wake
up call — especially in light of the wild hand-wringing about RMS.
The following quote feels prescient:
“Free software pioneers like Stallman tended to approach the issue from
an individualized perspective, drawn from the 1970s-1980s hacker
culture that many of them came from: if you could change how enough
hackers wrote and used software, you could change the world. This
highly personalized model of social change proposed an individual
solution to a structural problem, which necessarily neglected the wider
social context.”
As we look forward from this RMS fracas, I wonder how other folks here
feel about this article.
References
1. https://logicmag.io/failure/freedom-isnt-free/
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* Re: FSF individualism in Logic Magazine
2019-09-17 17:51 FSF individualism in Logic Magazine Danny Spitzberg
@ 2019-09-18 12:51 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
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From: Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-09-18 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Danny Spitzberg; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
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Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:
> this article <https://logicmag.io/failure/freedom-isnt-free/> on the "failure" of free software ran last month (long before the recent scandal) and offers what could be an important wake up call — especially in light of the wild hand-wringing about RMS.
> As we look forward from this RMS fracas, I wonder how other folks here feel about this article.
Well, I am not much aware of that fracas, and probably missed the connection. From a sideways glance, it looked like yet another malevolent hype started by professional SJWs, completely unrelated to software freedom. If I am wrong, please enlighten me.
> The following quote feels prescient:
>
> “Free software pioneers like Stallman tended to approach the issue from an individualized perspective, drawn from the 1970s-1980s hacker culture that many of them came from: if you could change how enough hackers wrote and used software, you could change the world. This highly personalized model of social change proposed an individual solution to a structural problem, which necessarily neglected the wider social context.”
I am not that familiar with RMS’s views to say whether a claim that “if you could change how enough hackers wrote and used software, you could change the world” may be really attributed to him either.
But if you could change _how_ hackers write software, you could change the world. Free software + bazaar development is exactly about that, not about quantities.
And I do not observe any failure on that front. Unfulfilled expectations for immediate and huge success (did anybody really share them?) != failure.
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