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From: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com>
To: Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com>
Cc: "libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org"
	<libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
Subject: Re: FSF individualism in Logic Magazine
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 15:51:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d0fy3sve.fsf@invalid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEYaDQMLdkxooNhsmS0Yn6zW_Z7v94nT09Q+vcfRtNvTOwJ1AA@mail.gmail.com> (Danny Spitzberg's message of "Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:51:01 -0700")


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Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:
> this article <https://logicmag.io/failure/freedom-isnt-free/> on the "failure" of free software ran last month (long before the recent scandal) and offers what could be an important wake up call — especially in light of the wild hand-wringing about RMS.

> As we look forward from this RMS fracas, I wonder how other folks here feel about this article.

Well, I am not much aware of that fracas, and probably missed the connection.  From a sideways glance, it looked like yet another malevolent hype started by professional SJWs, completely unrelated to software freedom.  If I am wrong, please enlighten me.

> The following quote feels prescient:
>
> “Free software pioneers like Stallman tended to approach the issue from an individualized perspective, drawn from the 1970s-1980s hacker culture that many of them came from: if you could change how enough hackers wrote and used software, you could change the world. This highly personalized model of social change proposed an individual solution to a structural problem, which necessarily neglected the wider social context.”

I am not that familiar with RMS’s views to say whether a claim that “if you could change how enough hackers wrote and used software, you could change the world” may be really attributed to him either.

But if you could change _how_ hackers write software, you could change the world.  Free software + bazaar development is exactly about that, not about quantities.

And I do not observe any failure on that front.   Unfulfilled expectations for immediate and huge success (did anybody really share them?) != failure.

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2019-09-17 17:51 FSF individualism in Logic Magazine Danny Spitzberg
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