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From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki@gmail.com>
To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org, Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net>
Subject: Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:51:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <379869f4-a3b7-3245-864c-d1ad1051be08@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2e4eb126-36ab-2f1c-2d66-2825f8249d50@riseup.net>

Il 13/03/22 05:52, Aaron Wolf ha scritto:
> The inventors of nuclear technology might feel guilty about their role 
> in the threat of nuclear war, but it's too late now to undo that.

The same is true or any invention or creation. You can hope to keep it 
secret if it's so dangerous, but once it's out there in the world, it's 
too late. If you restrict access, chances are only the worst actors will 
get access to it.

This concern about dangerous software seems related more to trade 
secrets than to copyright. Keeping something secret so that nobody knows 
about it is a completely different kind of problem than "what's the best 
copyright regime for the use of this work by copyright-complying 
entities". Making it public but regulating its usage by private actors 
is more likely to be a matter of patenting and the like. (If a software 
is so dangerous, it must be for the ideas/inventions it contains, rather 
than for the creativity of the specific software implementation.)

As usual, the "intellectual property" bandwagon probably makes people 
more confused. People often forget the basics, so it's useful to spread 
pages where trade secrets and patents are discussed, like:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.en.html
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/danger-of-software-patents

As for the example of nuclear, it's not particularly useful because any 
conclusion depends entirely on your personal assumptions, particularly 
about whether centralised power is good or bad. If you like centralised 
power, you will argue for more trade secrets, more patents, stricter 
copyright; and vice versa. I would argue that nuclear catastrophe has 
been avoided due to popular pressure and decentralised actions of 
responsible people, more than by exercise of central power, therefore I 
would argue for less secrets, less patents and less copyright restrictions.

See for instance how Stanislav Petrov saved the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident

He was able to make the correct decision because he knew some details 
about how the alert systems worked. If he had trusted the software, we 
would not be talking now. More transparency (at least internal, possibly 
external too) would increase the chances of such correct interpretations.

Federico

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-13  9:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-24  8:04 Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-24 17:00 ` Devin Ulibarri
     [not found]   ` <Yhh7tevsz3Ha5xY+@protected.localdomain>
2022-02-25 12:15     ` Devin Ulibarri
2022-02-25 15:32       ` Aaron Wolf
2022-02-26  0:48         ` Thomas Lord
2022-02-26  1:34           ` Should we take steps to reduce Russian access to Free Software? No J.B. Nicholson
2022-02-27  4:10         ` Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? Richard Stallman
2022-03-01  4:59         ` Valentino Giudice
2022-03-01  7:52           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  4:11     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <35700904-028a-1dbf-3d48-0478701ae0f8@gmail.com>
2022-03-01  4:24         ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-01 10:50           ` Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?> the headache of it all dissolves in forgiveness gregor
2022-03-02  6:18             ` Valentino Giudice
2022-03-02  6:58               ` gregor
2022-03-03  5:07                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-03 13:51                   ` gregor
2022-03-03 15:56                   ` Devin Ulibarri
2022-03-03 18:45                     ` Ole Aamot
2022-03-04 15:13                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-04 15:42                       ` Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss
     [not found]                         ` <c54b6cbc-a88a-3abf-2f60-b0fb2ca0d066@rixotstudio.cz>
2022-03-06  5:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-08 11:01                             ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-03-08 22:50                               ` Valentino Giudice
2022-03-09 16:20                                 ` Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? Félicien Pillot
2022-03-09 16:43                                   ` Valentino Giudice
2022-03-09 18:03                                   ` Erica Frank
2022-03-10 16:01                                     ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-03-11 16:16                                       ` Matt Ivie
2022-03-12  5:27                                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-12 17:48                                         ` Aaron Wolf
2022-03-12 18:53                                           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-13  3:52                                             ` Aaron Wolf
2022-03-13  9:51                                               ` Federico Leva (Nemo) [this message]
2022-03-13 15:07                                                 ` Aaron Wolf
2022-03-13 17:33                                                   ` gregor
2022-03-13 18:51                                                     ` Miles Fidelman
2022-03-13 20:25                                                     ` Aaron Wolf
2022-03-12 19:36                                           ` Miles Fidelman
2022-03-12 23:44                                           ` Getting the truth into Russia Akira Urushibata
2022-03-13 17:57                                     ` Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? Jean Louis
2022-03-13 23:49                                       ` Ron Nazarov via libreplanet-discuss
2022-03-14  1:57                                       ` Akira Urushibata
2022-03-14  2:01                                       ` Valentino Giudice
2022-03-14  5:50                                         ` "Open Source" is vague term referring to guns, wine, spirituality, etc Jean Louis
2022-03-14 21:01                                           ` Aaron Wolf
2022-03-14 21:17                                             ` Jean Louis
2022-03-14 21:48                                               ` Aaron Wolf
2022-03-15  5:26                                                 ` Jean Louis
2022-03-14 22:01                                           ` Valentino Giudice
2022-03-15  6:10                                             ` Jean Louis
2022-03-15 11:54                                             ` Jean Louis
2022-03-18  6:14                                           ` Valentino Giudice
2022-03-11  5:15                                   ` Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? Richard Stallman
2022-03-11 14:36                                     ` knowledgeofnations
2022-03-11 15:03                                     ` Miles Fidelman
2022-03-11 18:22                                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-12 16:55                                         ` Miles Fidelman
2022-03-08 23:22                               ` Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?> the headache of it all dissolves in forgiveness Matt Ivie
2022-03-09  4:21                               ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-30 22:44                                 ` Ole Aamot
     [not found]                                   ` <CAA+nH92ffd9PqZ0S=6tvJN4K+j64J4CU8AKwSPu=McWr=eZwww@mail.gmail.com>
2022-03-31  6:32                                     ` Ole Aamot
2022-04-01  4:11                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-09  8:05                               ` Free software is not perpetrator Jean Louis
2022-03-09 15:21                               ` Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?> the headache of it all dissolves in forgiveness Federico Leva (Nemo)
2022-03-02 11:12               ` Jean Louis
2022-03-03  5:07               ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-01 17:53           ` Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software? Julian Daich
2022-02-24 17:10 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2022-02-24 18:03 ` Aaron Wolf

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