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From: Ole Aamot <oka@oka.no>
To: Abe Indoria <indoria@aindoria.com>
Cc: Akira Urushibata <afu@wta.att.ne.jp>,
	libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: Truth Social as an example of the limits of free software
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2023 21:27:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFtywu74Kzchm9T+hN6rUX8o8=0RPG7uhpy1-0VTLjd5Gmx+yA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABrvzf2j9Cg1+rbNtpTjDdONqt1O4av4__2P7mP6B1Nc6+0-7A@mail.gmail.com>


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Is it possible to remove posts on Truth Social?  I am a X account owner,
and not in a target group of Truth Social (U.S. Citizens who vote Trump).

Is self-correction based on new facts a value or a bad idea in Mastodon?

Is it possible to bring a criticism of the platform Truth Social based on
the
fact that self-correction is not possible after publishing?

Best,
Ole Aamot

On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:23 PM Abe Indoria <indoria@aindoria.com> wrote:

>    I'm going to ignore the points about Truth Social for a bit since I do
>    not wish to get into a political spat (and have no love for different
>    parties in general).
>
>      I understand the limits of free software.  One problem I identify is
>      that some people use free software not because they value freedom,
>      but
>      simply because it is economical to do so.
>
>    Why is this a 'problem?'
>
>       People who exploit the "cheapness" do nothing to promote free
>      software and its
>      philosophy; they do not say: "This product is possible thanks to the
>      free software packages X, Y, Z and many more.  We are grateful to
>      all
>      the develpers who worked on them while making this available to the
>      public on gracious terms."
>
>    I'm sorry, but this is quite a weird take to me. I hope you're able to
>    see it from my POV: Not everyone can afford expensive software. People
>    aren't 'exploiting' free software (or -f-OSS in general) just because
>    they use something that's free. Also I'm not sure if we should confuse
>    free software with free *and* open source software.
>    Anecdotally, when I buy 'expensive' software (Such as Apple <Insert
>    software> or in a recent case for me, Scrivener, or what have you -
>    sometimes you don't have that much of a choice), does that mean I
>    automatically go "This great expensive product is possible thanks to x,
>    y or z?" I don't. I don't even know who wrote that software. When I see
>    and like a free software (or in most cases, a FOSS), I usually check
>    out the dev's profile to see if they've written anything else, but
>    that's pretty much it - aside from donations for software that I use on
>    an everyday basis and so on. But as is, even if I (or other developers
>    of such things) weren't getting donations, someone using your own
>    software instead of the x alternative is quite gratifying. *If* I like
>    a piece of software greatly, I would obviously praise whoever wrote it
>    and recommend it to other like minded people, but that goes for both
>    free and proprietary software. But that doesn't mean I am going to do
>    that for every free software, nor does it mean I do it regularly -
>    everyday people often have other priorities.
> _______________________________________________
> libreplanet-discuss mailing list
> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
>

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   Is it possible to remove posts on Truth Social?  I am a X account
   owner,
   and not in a target group of Truth Social (U.S. Citizens who vote
   Trump).
   Is self-correction based on new facts a value or a bad idea in
   Mastodon?
   Is it possible to bring a criticism of the platform Truth Social based
   on the
   fact that self-correction is not possible after publishing?
   Best,
   Ole Aamot

   On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:23 PM Abe Indoria <[1]indoria@aindoria.com>
   wrote:

        I'm going to ignore the points about Truth Social for a bit since
     I do
        not wish to get into a political spat (and have no love for
     different
        parties in general).
          I understand the limits of free software.  One problem I
     identify is
          that some people use free software not because they value
     freedom,
          but
          simply because it is economical to do so.
        Why is this a 'problem?'
           People who exploit the "cheapness" do nothing to promote free
          software and its
          philosophy; they do not say: "This product is possible thanks
     to the
          free software packages X, Y, Z and many more.  We are grateful
     to
          all
          the develpers who worked on them while making this available to
     the
          public on gracious terms."
        I'm sorry, but this is quite a weird take to me. I hope you're
     able to
        see it from my POV: Not everyone can afford expensive software.
     People
        aren't 'exploiting' free software (or -f-OSS in general) just
     because
        they use something that's free. Also I'm not sure if we should
     confuse
        free software with free *and* open source software.
        Anecdotally, when I buy 'expensive' software (Such as Apple
     <Insert
        software> or in a recent case for me, Scrivener, or what have you
     -
        sometimes you don't have that much of a choice), does that mean I
        automatically go "This great expensive product is possible thanks
     to x,
        y or z?" I don't. I don't even know who wrote that software. When
     I see
        and like a free software (or in most cases, a FOSS), I usually
     check
        out the dev's profile to see if they've written anything else,
     but
        that's pretty much it - aside from donations for software that I
     use on
        an everyday basis and so on. But as is, even if I (or other
     developers
        of such things) weren't getting donations, someone using your own
        software instead of the x alternative is quite gratifying. *If* I
     like
        a piece of software greatly, I would obviously praise whoever
     wrote it
        and recommend it to other like minded people, but that goes for
     both
        free and proprietary software. But that doesn't mean I am going
     to do
        that for every free software, nor does it mean I do it regularly
     -
        everyday people often have other priorities.
     _______________________________________________
     libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     [2]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     [3]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus
     s

References

   1. mailto:indoria@aindoria.com
   2. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   3. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-11 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-04 22:23 Truth Social as an example of the limits of free software Akira Urushibata
2023-09-05 22:46 ` Valentino Giudice
2023-09-06  7:06 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2023-09-06 16:06 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2023-09-06 22:46 ` Abe Indoria
2023-09-08 19:27   ` Ole Aamot [this message]
2023-09-09 22:39   ` On gratitude and " Akira Urushibata
2023-09-11 16:47     ` Dennis Payne
2023-09-12  1:53       ` J.B. Nicholson
2023-09-18  0:01         ` Akira Urushibata
2023-09-19  0:37           ` Alexandre Oliva
2023-09-12  8:39       ` Ineiev

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