* open letter to the Community: @ 2019-02-14 2:25 ` alimiracle 2019-02-14 21:15 ` Lyberta 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: alimiracle @ 2019-02-14 2:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss open letter to the Community: I don't know where you are now. Maybe close to me. Or in a distant country or outside the solar system But I'm sure you can read this letter """ Hello Do you remember me i'm ali, a useless person as you call me Do you remember when you were telling me "you can't do anything" Do you remember when you were telling me "you can't Walk in this way". Do you remember when you were telling me "you cant become a programmer". Do you remember when you were telling me "you're useless". Maybe you forgot everything But I still remember I still have memories from when I was child: no one wanted to play with me, they would tell me things like "you're blind— we can't play with you. Go and look for [another] blind person to play with you. You're different from me, go away." You stand in my face. Whenever you make fun of me I Become even more powerful Because I don't want to become like another entry in the life database . Been a long time for this events, i grew up, and My dreams grew up with me. People lived. People died. Programs booted. Programs -9'd. The world spun. I sat. How could I? How could I? I put 10 and 10 together, and soon I knew my mission: to code, to collaborate, to contribute. At this time I learned a lot, and made great changes in my life I Still walking in that way. I walked a long distance I fell a lot but I Stand again. I Fought a lot To become a programmer and I will keep standing I will be rising from the ground I will be rising to the cloud, like the plane... now I'd like to thank you. Without the wounds you've caused me. I didn't have that immunity to resist. Without underestimating my abilities. I didn't have that kind of strength to stand up and fight _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-14 2:25 ` open letter to the Community: alimiracle @ 2019-02-14 21:15 ` Lyberta 2019-02-14 21:53 ` Greg Farough 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Lyberta @ 2019-02-14 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Libreplanet Discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 808 bytes --] alimiracle@riseup.net: > Hello > Do you remember me > i'm ali, a useless person as you call me > Do you remember when you were telling me "you can't do anything" > Do you remember when you were telling me "you can't Walk in this way". > Do you remember when you were telling me "you cant become a programmer". > Do you remember when you were telling me "you're useless". Yes! Hatred and revenge. That's what keeps me going. Knowing that one day I will kill my parents, then proceed to kill my schoolmates, then people who create proprietary software, then capitalism, governments. Hatred gives meaning to the meaningless existence. It keeps you going even when you know that the only logical thing to do is to kill yourself. But you have other people to kill first, you have to keep going. [-- Attachment #1.2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-14 21:15 ` Lyberta @ 2019-02-14 21:53 ` Greg Farough 2019-02-14 22:20 ` John Sullivan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Greg Farough @ 2019-02-14 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss, Libreplanet Discuss Let's not even joke about suicide or doing violence to people who use the wrong kind of computer program. On February 14, 2019 3:15:00 PM CST, Lyberta <lyberta@lyberta.net> wrote: >alimiracle@riseup.net: >> Hello >> Do you remember me >> i'm ali, a useless person as you call me >> Do you remember when you were telling me "you can't do anything" >> Do you remember when you were telling me "you can't Walk in this >way". >> Do you remember when you were telling me "you cant become a >programmer". >> Do you remember when you were telling me "you're useless". >Yes! Hatred and revenge. That's what keeps me going. Knowing that one >day I will kill my parents, then proceed to kill my schoolmates, then >people who create proprietary software, then capitalism, governments. > >Hatred gives meaning to the meaningless existence. It keeps you going >even when you know that the only logical thing to do is to kill >yourself. But you have other people to kill first, you have to keep >going. -- -g "A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral." _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-14 21:53 ` Greg Farough @ 2019-02-14 22:20 ` John Sullivan 2019-02-14 22:54 ` Lyberta 2019-02-15 1:24 ` Miles Fidelman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: John Sullivan @ 2019-02-14 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Greg Farough; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss Greg Farough <gregf@riseup.net> writes: > Let's not even joke about suicide or doing violence to people who use the wrong kind of computer program. > Agreed, and let's let this thread drop. Lyberta is now on moderation, and I'll reach out to them further. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: A462 6CBA FF37 6039 D2D7 5544 97BA 9CE7 61A0 963B https://status.fsf.org/johns | https://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at <https://my.fsf.org/join>. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-14 22:20 ` John Sullivan @ 2019-02-14 22:54 ` Lyberta 2019-02-15 2:17 ` Aaron Wolf 2019-02-15 2:40 ` John Sullivan 2019-02-15 1:24 ` Miles Fidelman 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Lyberta @ 2019-02-14 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Libreplanet Discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 687 bytes --] John Sullivan: > Greg Farough <gregf@riseup.net> writes: > >> Let's not even joke about suicide or doing violence to people who use the wrong kind of computer program. >> > > Agreed, and let's let this thread drop. Lyberta is now on moderation, > and I'll reach out to them further. > > -john > What joking? I wasn't joking. People who create proprietary software drive me and other people to suicide. It's a fact. When the only safe place on Earth is your PC and the only thing that keeps you sane is software, you see that proprietary software strips the last bits of happiness from you. Free software saves lives, proprietary software literally kills people. [-- Attachment #1.2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-14 22:54 ` Lyberta @ 2019-02-15 2:17 ` Aaron Wolf 2019-02-15 2:40 ` John Sullivan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wolf @ 2019-02-15 2:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Libreplanet Discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1575 bytes --] On 2/14/19 2:54 PM, Lyberta wrote: > John Sullivan: >> Greg Farough <gregf@riseup.net> writes: >> >>> Let's not even joke about suicide or doing violence to people who use the wrong kind of computer program. >>> >> >> Agreed, and let's let this thread drop. Lyberta is now on moderation, >> and I'll reach out to them further. >> >> -john >> > > What joking? I wasn't joking. People who create proprietary software > drive me and other people to suicide. It's a fact. When the only safe > place on Earth is your PC and the only thing that keeps you sane is > software, you see that proprietary software strips the last bits of > happiness from you. Free software saves lives, proprietary software > literally kills people. > > But that rhetoric has no tie to any particular philosophy or perspective otherwise. Any situation where someone gets into caring about something and threatens (or even commits) suicide because of something in the world going in a way they don't prefer… that can be used to justify any position at all, depending on how real it is. In any situation that isn't just a total anomaly, we can jump to the reasons behind the suicide threat and they will be compelling enough. Using the suicide-threat itself is never justified. There's even a phenomenon of copycat-suicide where focusing on the righteousness of a suicide victim can encourage more people to commit suicide. So, please stay on the focus of what the direct harms are and not on the extreme reactions that people suffering harms might have. [-- Attachment #1.2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-14 22:54 ` Lyberta 2019-02-15 2:17 ` Aaron Wolf @ 2019-02-15 2:40 ` John Sullivan 2019-02-15 2:49 ` Miles Fidelman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: John Sullivan @ 2019-02-15 2:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Libreplanet Discuss My apologies to everyone -- this second message was let through moderation by mistake. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: A462 6CBA FF37 6039 D2D7 5544 97BA 9CE7 61A0 963B https://status.fsf.org/johns | https://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at <https://my.fsf.org/join>. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-15 2:40 ` John Sullivan @ 2019-02-15 2:49 ` Miles Fidelman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Miles Fidelman @ 2019-02-15 2:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss On 2/14/19 9:40 PM, John Sullivan wrote: > My apologies to everyone -- this second message was let through > moderation by mistake. > > -john Personally, I find your censorship of a perfectly reasonable statement, to be offensive. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: open letter to the Community: 2019-02-14 22:20 ` John Sullivan 2019-02-14 22:54 ` Lyberta @ 2019-02-15 1:24 ` Miles Fidelman 2019-02-15 7:24 ` list setup [was: Re: open letter to the Community:] Ineiev 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Miles Fidelman @ 2019-02-15 1:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss On 2/14/19 5:20 PM, John Sullivan wrote: > Greg Farough <gregf@riseup.net> writes: > >> Let's not even joke about suicide or doing violence to people who use the wrong kind of computer program. >> > Agreed, and let's let this thread drop. Lyberta is now on moderation, > and I'll reach out to them further. Whoa... when did this become such a humorless group. Putting someone on moderation for what was a perfectly reasonable extension to a message that included: > Whenever you make fun of me > I Become even more powerful <snip> > Without the wounds you've caused me. > I didn't have that immunity to resist. > Without underestimating my abilities. > I didn't have that kind of strength to stand up and fight > Lyberta's comment was, IMHO, perfectly appropriate, if a little on the dark & sarcastic side. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* list setup [was: Re: open letter to the Community:] 2019-02-15 1:24 ` Miles Fidelman @ 2019-02-15 7:24 ` Ineiev 2019-02-21 20:14 ` list setup Dmitry Alexandrov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Ineiev @ 2019-02-15 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Miles Fidelman; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 431 bytes --] On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 08:24:59PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 2/14/19 5:20 PM, John Sullivan wrote: > >Agreed, and let's let this thread drop. Lyberta is now on moderation, > >and I'll reach out to them further. > > Whoa... when did this become such a humorless group... I wonder if this mailing list admins also have resources to debug its settings. Lyberta's and Aaron's messages came with bad GPG signatures. [-- Attachment #1.2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: list setup 2019-02-15 7:24 ` list setup [was: Re: open letter to the Community:] Ineiev @ 2019-02-21 20:14 ` Dmitry Alexandrov 2019-02-22 21:29 ` Bob Proulx 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-02-21 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Sullivan, libreplanet-discuss-owner; +Cc: Ineiev, libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1007 bytes --] Ineiev <ineiev@gnu.org> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 08:24:59PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> On 2/14/19 5:20 PM, John Sullivan wrote: >> >Agreed, and let's let this thread drop. Lyberta is now on moderation, >> >and I'll reach out to them further. >> >> Whoa... when did this become such a humorless group... > > I wonder if this mailing list admins also have resources to debug > its settings. Lyberta's and Aaron's messages came with bad > GPG signatures. +1. I bet, this header must have something to do with the issue: | X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 The name itself suggests that this thing is supposed to mangle MIME messages by design, so it is not surprising, that their integrity is broken. I cannot imagine a single valid reason to mangle mail that is passing through a list, whether MIME or legacy, though. So this is presumably some outdated default of an old version of GNU Mailman used here. Thus, the right way to fix it is as simple as just disable that thing. [-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: list setup 2019-02-21 20:14 ` list setup Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-02-22 21:29 ` Bob Proulx 2019-02-23 12:11 ` Dmitry Alexandrov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Bob Proulx @ 2019-02-22 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss-owner [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1040 bytes --] Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > > > > came with bad GPG signatures > > | X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 > > The name itself suggests that this thing is supposed to mangle MIME > messages by design, so it is not surprising, that their integrity is > broken. I cannot imagine a single valid reason to mangle mail that > is passing through a list, whether MIME or legacy, though. The libreplanet-discuss mailing list adds a subject tag "[libreplanet-discuss] " and a footer saying: libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss Personally I dislike these and would love to see them removed from all mailing lists. However they have been in use for a long time and many people (pedantically incorrectly) use the subject tag for mail filtering and many people need to see the footer to remind them how to unsubscribe from the list. Fortunately adding these will not cause a properly signed message to fail signature validation. Bob [-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: list setup 2019-02-22 21:29 ` Bob Proulx @ 2019-02-23 12:11 ` Dmitry Alexandrov 2019-02-23 15:56 ` bill-auger 2019-04-11 17:02 ` [gnu.org #1362369] " Ian Kelling via RT 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-02-23 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss-owner [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1310 bytes --] Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> wrote: > Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >> > > > came with bad GPG signatures >> >> | X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 >> >> The name itself suggests that this thing is supposed to mangle MIME >> messages by design, so it is not surprising, that their integrity is >> broken. I cannot imagine a single valid reason to mangle mail that >> is passing through a list, whether MIME or legacy, though. > > The libreplanet-discuss mailing list adds a subject tag > "[libreplanet-discuss] " and a footer… > > Personally I dislike these and would love to see them removed from all > mailing lists. Me too. > However they have been in use for a long time and many > people (pedantically incorrectly) use the subject tag for mail > filtering and many people need to see the footer to remind them how to > unsubscribe from the list. > > Fortunately adding these will not cause a properly signed message to > fail signature validation. So there are two options: (1) to debug it to find what wrong it does with some mail besides harmlessly appending a footer; (2) take a determined decision and for all that disable any body processing entirely. Prefixing subject with a list name, I believe, is done by separate facility, so that’s another question. [-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: list setup 2019-02-23 12:11 ` Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-02-23 15:56 ` bill-auger 2019-03-03 11:13 ` Dmitry Alexandrov 2019-04-11 17:02 ` [gnu.org #1362369] " Ian Kelling via RT 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: bill-auger @ 2019-02-23 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 15:11:34 +0300 Dmitry wrote: > So there are two options: i will suggest a third option, as i did on the new trisquel "General Free Software Talk" web forum which is actually backed by the 'freedom-misc' mailing list, and apparently serves very much the same purpose as this list, both practically and semantically, but apparently gets far more use than this list - i suggest that is not because trisquel users do not care to interact with the greater free software community, but could be simply because it is a web forum and many people prefer that these days so a very reasonable third option that would unite the community general discussions, would be to upgrade this list to mailman3 which has web integration, and entice trisquel to close it's "General Free Software Talk" forum and ask users of that forum to use the web interface of this list instead, or vice-versa, or otherwise use the same back-end mail store for both lists https://trisquel.info/en/forum/connect-web-forum-list-libreplanet-instead https://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/freedom-misc _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: list setup 2019-02-23 15:56 ` bill-auger @ 2019-03-03 11:13 ` Dmitry Alexandrov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-03-03 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bill-auger; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3439 bytes --] bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 15:11:34 +0300 Dmitry wrote: >> So there are two options: > > i will suggest a third option, as i did on the new trisquel > "General Free Software Talk" web forum which is actually backed by the > 'freedom-misc' mailing list, and apparently serves very much the same > purpose as this list, both practically and semantically, but apparently > gets far more use than this list - i suggest that is not because > trisquel users do not care to interact with the greater free software > community, but could be simply because it is a web forum and many > people prefer that these days > > so a very reasonable third option that would unite the community general > discussions, would be to upgrade this list to mailman3 which has web > integration > > https://trisquel.info/en/forum/connect-web-forum-list-libreplanet-instead > https://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/freedom-misc Well. I meant only options that address the issue directly and are quickly doable — like switching off an offending toggle, not something that might take a good year. :-) However, that indeed looks like a great idea: both to upgrade in general, and to start from @libreplanet.org prior to (sooner or later) approach much higher-volume @gnu.org lists. Let me share some concerns, though. One is Mailman itself. I am not quite sure, that its web interface is implemented in a sane way. At least, its NNTP gateway is not. Namely, it has an obnoxious habit of _rewriting all message ID’s_, for no particular reason I can imagine. Check the hell that is going on, say, at mozilla-support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org, as it presented by: — Mailman NNTP: nntp://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.firefox — Gmane: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.firefox.user Mailman is broken, Gmane is not (in a sense that it does not rewrite any ID’s, all is as if you’re subscribed by yourself; as of now that group is also stalled, but that is not the point). Yet both halves of subscribers: a one that is uses Mailman gateway either directly or indirectly (groups from there are propagated all over the old federated Usenet) and another that is not — both are affected by annoyances: depending on how your UA is aggressive on threading, you will either see randomly broken threads or numerous allegedly lost messages. Another possible negative consequence of a future upgrading I am afraid of, is that listmasters will either forget or decide that is no longer feasible to publish its full and uncrippled archives <ftp://lists.gnu.org>. > and entice trisquel to close it's "General Free Software > Talk" forum and ask users of that forum to use the web interface of this > list instead, or vice-versa Their list’s web-interface looks nice on a first glance (yet it hardly more usable than the proper mail interface, of course). How is it implemented? It does not seem to be an aforementioned Mailman 3. I am confused, as there is no usual link to sources in footer, neither anything related on <https://devel.trisquel.info>, as far as I see. Don’t you know? > or otherwise use the same back-end mail > store for both lists If the task is merging userbase of two existing lists (and not centralising everything on FSF infrastructure ;-), is not it easily solved by subscribing both one for another, I wonder? [-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [gnu.org #1362369] Re: list setup 2019-02-23 12:11 ` Dmitry Alexandrov 2019-02-23 15:56 ` bill-auger @ 2019-04-11 17:02 ` Ian Kelling via RT 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Ian Kelling via RT @ 2019-04-11 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ineiev, bob, libreplanet-discuss On Sat Feb 23 07:12:19 2019, 321942@gmail.com wrote: > Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> wrote: > > Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > >> > > > came with bad GPG signatures > >> > >> | X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 > >> > >> The name itself suggests that this thing is supposed to mangle MIME > >> messages by design, so it is not surprising, that their integrity is > >> broken. I cannot imagine a single valid reason to mangle mail that > >> is passing through a list, whether MIME or legacy, though. > > > > The libreplanet-discuss mailing list adds a subject tag > > "[libreplanet-discuss] " and a footer… > > > > Personally I dislike these and would love to see them removed from > > all > > mailing lists. > > Me too. > > > However they have been in use for a long time and many > > people (pedantically incorrectly) use the subject tag for mail > > filtering and many people need to see the footer to remind them how > > to > > unsubscribe from the list. > > > > Fortunately adding these will not cause a properly signed message to > > fail signature validation. > > So there are two options: (1) to debug it to find what wrong it does > with some mail besides harmlessly appending a footer; (2) take a > determined decision and for all that disable any body processing > entirely. Prefixing subject with a list name, I believe, is done by > separate facility, so that’s another question. I'm working on upgrading the server, then I will look into this. I will see if removing the footer helps. Footer and subject prefixes are likely going away for other reasons anyways. -- Ian Kelling | Senior Systems Administrator, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: B125 F60B 7B28 7FF6 A2B7 DF8F 170A F0E2 9542 95DF https://fsf.org | https://gnu.org _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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