Re: very specific project proposal Re: What does Elon Musk say about free software?

[Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com>]

And I wish to add that I think I offend some FSF
fans by saying I think the underlying cause is that
the FSF has somehow lost sight of two critical goals:

   1. Education for the general public.

   2. Promoting (through action, through help) far greater
      intentional, direct use of libre software (including
      the more widespread exercise of all four freedoms --
      not merely the recitation of why they are good).

So I see something like this need of some people to break
free of twitter and wonder why the free software movement isn't
all over such opportunities, with resources, and coordination,
and support.

And then I look at the FSF, who I think should be working on that,
and get depressed about "whatever happened to the free software 
movement"?

-t



On 2022-05-12 12:21, p_newsletters/libreplanet--- via 
libreplanet-discuss wrote:
> I somewhat agree with Thomas.
> 
> I myself have been interested about freedom of software almost 15
> years. This interests me a lot and I found myself numerous times
> spending plenty of hours in fsf.org just going deep in the rabbit
> hole. However, this can't be expected from a "non-tech" user, a.k.a
> the large part of the population, who indeed they'd be interested
> about regaining freedom but are greeted with a comprehensive and
> overwhelming amount of info.
> 
> I talk about fs to many of my peers and then I refer them to fsf.org
> to learn more. The result, lack of engagement and retention from my
> peers with the site. To me this isn't a problem of the user.
> 
> My take is that, fsf.org conveys a lot of info, but not effectively.
> Less is more, even in the education field. Notice that I am not
> suggesting deleting info, but better summarize and display.
> 
> I think fsf.org could benefit from better UX design.
> 
> In contradiction with my text, for me the fsf's page is great. But
> again, I am a tech-interested person and don't represent the larger
> amount of internet users.
> 
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Thursday, May 12th, 2022 at 18:45, Thomas Lord - lord at
> basiscraft.com <awrlcxwigpuchsoowgvvsnzs@simplelogin.co> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Jean,
>> 
>> > Thomas, you again spread Fears, Uncertainties and Doubts - FUD. I
>> > cannot take your statements seriously.
>> 
>> 
>> That's fine.
>> 
>> I am curious if you think that the ~40 year old Free Software Movement
>> is doing an effective job of spreading the actual practice of software
>> freedom, and even the awareness of the option and what it means for
>> human freedom?
>> 
>> And if I want to point busy city officials or others who
>> could benefit from changing their practices to some web page
>> that will help them help themselves with that, smoothly
>> and efficiently, what page would you suggest? What educational
>> materials will help someone like that?
>> 
>> How will potential users find those materials if I say simply
>> "check out fsf.org"?
>> 
>> What steps has FSF taken in recent decades that have helped
>> with this kind of problem? Is the "free software ladder"
>> concept meant to do this (that isn't my understanding of it
>> so far)?
>> 
>> Similarly, say, a college student not in
>> computer science or anything close to that? or a
>> professor who may be tempted to require students
>> to use unfree software -- where can they quickly and
>> easily check for a better option?
>> 
>> -t
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2022-05-11 20:44, Jean Louis wrote:
>> 
>> > * Thomas Lord lord@basiscraft.com [2022-05-12 03:26]:
>> >
>> > > All the more reason why this is a valuable idea
>> > > for an organization whose primary purpose is spreading
>> > > education and real world use of libre software systems.
>> > >
>> > > Meanwhile, there is whatever the FSF is trying to do
>> > > which is entirely unclear from their web site.
>> > >
>> > > This reminds of a few years back when I wanted to point
>> > > city officials in Berkeley to some online resource where
>> > > they could quickly learn about software freedom and about
>> > > available software -- and I discovered that nothing on
>> > > the FSF web site was at all adequate to this.
>> >
>> > Thomas, you again spread Fears, Uncertainties and Doubts - FUD. I
>> > cannot take your statements seriously.
>> >
>> > https://www.fsf.org/ -- it is very clear what FSF does straight from
>> > their website.
>> >
>> > Jean
>> >
>> > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns:
>> > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns
>> >
>> > In support of Richard M. Stallman
>> > https://stallmansupport.org/
>> >
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