Re: very specific project proposal Re: What does Elon Musk say about free software?

[Thomas Lord <lord@basiscraft.com>]

Contacting the FSF is a total crap shoot.  In my experience,
if it isn't something immediately in their favor they are
a read only device.

That the FSF can't clearly state its actions and future
intentions via outreach to a general public outside
the movement, I think they need to re-read their charter
and application for NPO status.

-t


On 2022-05-18 15:10, Jean Louis wrote:
> * p_newsletters/libreplanet--- via libreplanet-discuss
> <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> [2022-05-12 22:42]:
>> I myself have been interested about freedom of software almost 15
>> years. This interests me a lot and I found myself numerous times
>> spending plenty of hours in fsf.org just going deep in the rabbit
>> hole. However, this can't be expected from a "non-tech" user, a.k.a
>> the large part of the population, who indeed they'd be interested
>> about regaining freedom but are greeted with a comprehensive and
>> overwhelming amount of info.
> 
> Users who come to any website, may see just the peak of the iceberg of
> knowledge presented. That knowledge is comprehensive is rather good
> and speaks of quality. That knowledge may be overwhelming is
> understandable, as new words, terms, they may be the main obstacle in
> understanding any subject.
> 
> If you wish to explain any page better of send suggestions, see on
> https://www.fsf.org/ website at the bottom how to contact FSF and tell
> them about it.
> 
> If it is so or not, we can't really tell, as Your personal view is
> subjective, rather than objective.
> 
> My subjective viewpoint is that FSF website was never overwhelming, it
> is comprehensive which I find positive, and I wish it would be more
> comprehensive. It is translated in many languages.
> 
> That viewpoint is subjective shows the fact that there are so many
> contributors, members of the FSF, people who donate money. That is
> shown in the financial reports. It also shows that large number of
> people do understand messages conveyed through FSF website. Financial
> report is objective, it tells of the real world events, not just
> personal impressions.
> 
>> I talk about fs to many of my peers and then I refer them to fsf.org
>> to learn more. The result, lack of engagement and retention from my
>> peers with the site. To me this isn't a problem of the user.
> 
> That is generalization. When I have made examples how I talk to
> people, I have given two names and explained it.
> 
> To how many people did you talk?
> 
> Lack of engagement -- what would this mean? Not every person that you
> bring to any website will start engaging on the website neither in the
> projects website is offering.
> 
> What kind of specific retention did you experience?
> 
> Before any blame, let us first identify what exactly is the problem.
> 
> Then if it is really a website problem, did you report it to webmaster
> of FSF?
> 
>> My take is that, fsf.org conveys a lot of info, but not
>> effectively. Less is more, even in the education field. Notice that
>> I am not suggesting deleting info, but better summarize and display.
> 
> Make your suggestions specific and report to webmasters.
> 
> I can see the menu:
> 
> About Campaigns Licensing Membership Resources Community Donate Shop 
> Search
> ===========================================================================
> 
> Is there anything wrong with the menu?
> 
> How would you better summarize it please?
> 
> Do you see on the bottom of every page full summary? How would you
> make the summary?
> 
>> I think fsf.org could benefit from better UX design.
> 
> Does UX means User Experience? Whatever it means, what is "better"?
> Can you propose specific improvements?
> 
>> In contradiction with my text, for me the fsf's page is great. But
>> again, I am a tech-interested person and don't represent the larger
>> amount of internet users.
> 
> I wish to see more constructive criticism, not just blaming on
> imaginary failures -- while in the same time we can read objective
> financial reports and that FSF functions just well. Every organization
> may improve. If you wish to propose improvements, do them. Provide the
> page that gives that what you want -- and propose to FSF those
> changes.
> 
> When people develop Emacs Lisp they propose changes, patches, new
> programs, they may be accepted or rejected, but changes are pretty
> much specific. Try providing specific improvements or point out
> specifically to what you mean exactly. Try minimizing generalizations.
> 
> Further, you are free to distribute information from FSF pages, you
> can make your own FSF-like page, look at licensing of pages, and
> provide the UX, and summaries in the way how you think it is good --
> then let us know, let us review it, and propose it to FSF.
> 
> 
> Jean
> 
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