From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: "Ramkumar Ramachandra" <artagnon@gmail.com>,
"Greg Troxel" <gdt@ir.bbn.com>,
"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
"Thomas Rast" <trast@inf.ethz.ch>,
"René Scharfe" <rene.scharfe@lsrfire.ath.cx>,
"Michael Haggerty" <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>,
"Matthieu Moy" <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>,
"Nguyn Thái Ng÷c" <pclouds@gmail.com>,
"Ramsay Jones" <ramsay@ramsay1.demon.co.uk>,
"Erik Faye-Lund" <kusmabite@gmail.com>,
"Johannes Sixt" <j6t@kdbg.org>,
"Johannes Schindelin" <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Administrivia] On ruby and contrib/
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:21:24 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMP44s1+ax-Z=CRsSFEZHYKrBA1voQFv1=Vso9RkWDwEqhZR-A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1306061308100.29361@nftneq.ynat.uz>
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2013, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>
>> David Lang wrote:
>>>
>>> Perl use may or may not be declining (depending on how you measure it),
>>> but
>>> are you really willing to take on the task of re-writing everything
>>> that's
>>> in Perl into another language and force all developers of scripts to
>>> learn
>>> that other language? what's the ROI of this?
>>
>>
>> Let's not talk hypotheticals. git-svn.perl (+ perl/SVN/*.pl) is
>> absolutely massive. It's an incredibly useful tool in that it
>> actually works, and that there is nothing replacing it in the
>> foreseeable future. This monster was written almost entirely by one
>> brilliant person, and nobody is going to rewrite it. We don't start a
>> huge discussion about what languages are "approved" before accepting
>> such a contribution: if the contributor wants to write something in a
>> dominant language (Perl in this case), and it's going to be useful, we
>> merge it. End of story.
>
>
> Well, Felipe is saying that Perl is dieing and we should re-write everything
> that exists in Perl to Ruby.
No, I said we should try to move away from Perl. Move stuff to C,
shell scripts, and yeah, Ruby.
>> Why are we discussing something that is indeterminate? It is
>> impossible to foresee the future, but that is no reason to freeze
>> _present_ development.
>
> and it's not a reason to throw away existing stuff based on the argument
> that Perl is dieing
Who said anything about throwing away code?
>> Nobody claimed that "press coverage" is a good metric. We can only
>> talk about facts, and Felipe already showed you a TIOBE index graph.
>> If you have overwhelming _evidence_ that Ruby is a weak language that
>> will die soon, share it: otherwise, I see no value in this discussion.
>
>
> TIOBE index graph is "press coverage" as far as I'm concerned.
>
> I'm not saying that Ruby in particular has a fatal flaw, I'm just
> questioning the "Perl is dead, re-write everything in Ruby" mantra.
>
> The language that you choose to use when writing a new application is
> related to things related to that type of application.
>
> Ruby is not an extremely common language for sysadmins to use.
Who said we need a language commonly used by sysadmins for our Git core?
> Perl remains a common language for these sorts of tasks, even if it's not
> used for user visible applications.
Ruby is pretty much a replacement for Perl. For every task Perl is
good, Ruby also is. Ruby's syntax even borrows from Perl.
The difference is; Ruby is better for many more tasks that suck in Perl.
> Arguing that Perl is dieing, we need to abandon it is just wrong.
Straw man. Nobody is arguing that.
I said we should try to avoid it, not abandon it immediately.
--
Felipe Contreras
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-07 19:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-04 23:45 What's cooking in git.git (Jun 2013, #02; Tue, 4) Junio C Hamano
2013-06-05 0:04 ` [Administrivia] On ruby and contrib/ Junio C Hamano
2013-06-05 3:02 ` David Lang
2013-06-05 14:30 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-05 4:13 ` Michael Haggerty
2013-06-05 17:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-06 12:52 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-07 16:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-06 19:48 ` Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen
2013-06-05 14:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 7:26 ` demerphq
2013-06-06 7:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 12:24 ` Barry Fishman
2013-06-06 13:01 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 13:46 ` Barry Fishman
2013-06-06 14:09 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 14:41 ` Barry Fishman
2013-06-06 15:04 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 20:41 ` Charles McGarvey
2013-06-06 14:54 ` Greg Troxel
2013-06-06 15:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 16:09 ` David Lang
2013-06-06 18:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 20:29 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-06 20:19 ` David Lang
2013-06-07 14:24 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 15:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-07 15:28 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 19:04 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 19:27 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 19:38 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 2:57 ` Johannes Schindelin
2013-06-09 9:16 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 23:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10 4:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 19:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-07 20:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 2:23 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 10:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 11:20 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 12:06 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 19:21 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2013-06-06 17:16 ` Greg Troxel
2013-06-06 18:24 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 21:05 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-06 21:31 ` Dependencies and packaging (Re: [Administrivia] On ruby and contrib/) Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-07 19:29 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 16:22 ` [Administrivia] On ruby and contrib/ Johannes Schindelin
2013-06-06 20:40 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 3:25 ` Johannes Schindelin
2013-06-07 15:20 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 17:57 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-07 18:14 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 18:24 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 18:32 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-07 18:48 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-07 19:00 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-07 19:10 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 18:33 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-07 18:45 ` Matthew Ruffalo
2013-06-07 18:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-07 19:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 19:41 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 2:59 ` Johannes Schindelin
2013-06-08 2:17 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 10:02 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 11:28 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 11:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 12:07 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 13:20 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 17:15 ` Jeff King
2013-06-08 17:40 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 0:10 ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 1:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 2:23 ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 2:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 3:07 ` Johannes Schindelin
2013-06-05 6:59 ` What's cooking in git.git (Jun 2013, #02; Tue, 4) Johannes Sixt
2013-06-05 7:12 ` Jeff King
2013-06-06 6:34 ` [PATCH] t0005: skip signal death exit code test on Windows Johannes Sixt
2013-06-06 6:37 ` Jeff King
2013-06-06 6:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 6:44 ` Jeff King
2013-06-06 6:48 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-06 17:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-06 17:40 ` Jeff King
2013-06-07 6:22 ` Johannes Sixt
2013-06-07 10:12 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2013-06-07 10:24 ` Johannes Sixt
2013-06-07 12:00 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2013-06-07 12:19 ` Johannes Sixt
2013-06-07 12:46 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2013-06-07 13:07 ` Johannes Sixt
2013-06-07 14:20 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2013-06-10 5:48 ` [PATCH] mingw: make mingw_signal return the correct handler Johannes Sixt
2013-06-10 11:37 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2013-06-10 20:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-09 0:18 ` [PATCH] t0005: skip signal death exit code test on Windows Jeff King
2013-06-09 20:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10 5:30 ` Johannes Sixt
2013-06-10 11:38 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2013-06-06 18:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 10:01 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2013-06-07 10:03 ` Erik Faye-Lund
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