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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>
Cc: Heiko Voigt <hvoigt@hvoigt.net>, Git <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Phil Hord <phil.hord@gmail.com>,
	Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>,
	Jens Lehmann <Jens.Lehmann@web.de>,
	Nahor <nahor.j+gmane@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] git-submodule add: Add -r/--record option
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:49:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vd2z9t7y2.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20121117192026.GI22234@odin.tremily.us

"W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us> writes:

>> From what I have heard of projects using this: They usually still have
>> something that records the SHA1s on a regular basis. Thinking further,
>> why not record them in git? We could add an option to update which
>> creates such a commit.
>
> I think it's best to have users craft their own commit messages
> explaining why the branch was updated.  That said, an auto-generated
> hint (a la "git merge") would probably be a useful extra feature.

I am not quite sure I agree.  When the project says "Use the tip of
'bar' branch for the submodule 'foo'" at the top-level, does an
individual user who is not working on the submodule 'foo' but merely
is using it have any clue as to why the submodule's 'foo' branch
'foo' moved, or does he necessarily even care?

For such a user working at the top-level superproject, or working on
one part of the project, possibly on a submodule other than 'foo',
wouldn't the natural thing to do would be to run "git pull" at the
top-level, maybe with "--recursive" to update the top-level and all
the submodules to start the day.

Now, since somebody created the top-level commit you have just
pulled and checked out, other people may have worked on submodule
'foo' [*1*].  What should happen on "git submodule update foo"?  It
would notice that the submodule 'foo' is set to float, and would
check out the tip of the branch 'bar', not the commit recorded in
the top-level superproject, in the working tree for 'foo', no?

What should appear in "git diff"?  The working tree taken as a whole
is different from what the superproject's commit describes (which is
the state the person who created the superproject wanted to record)
even though this user does not have anything to do with the change
at 'foo' from the recorded commit to the current tip of 'bar'.  What
would his description for the reason why the branch was updated?

I think I would agree that "git diff" should not hide such changes
(after all, when this user records his change to the overall project
in the top-level supermodule, he will be recording the state with
the commit at the tip of 'bar' checked out in the working tree of
the submodule 'foo'), but I am not sure if the user can say anything
sensible, other than "tip of 'bar' branch in submodule 'foo' was
changed by others", in the resulting commit.


[Footnote]

*1* This may look like a non-issue if you assume that the person who
updates the 'bar' branch of submodule 'foo' always updates the
gitlink in the superproject's commit to point at that updated
commit, but that assumption is flawed; the submodule project is a
project on its own and can be worked on without what other projects
bind it as their submodules.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-20  0:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-22 16:34 [PATCH] git-submodule add: Record branch name in .gitmodules W. Trevor King
     [not found] ` <CABURp0pqg7XC6makK2OcundMabV9AtcBNGNK6Q0TMZfJbt3anw@mail.gmail.com>
2012-10-22 22:55   ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-24 18:12     ` Phil Hord
2012-10-25  1:12       ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-26 13:37         ` Jeff King
2012-10-23 19:16 ` Nahor
2012-10-23 19:44   ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-23 20:44     ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-23 21:57       ` [PATCH v2] git-submodule add: Add -r/--record option W. Trevor King
2012-10-24 19:15         ` Jens Lehmann
2012-10-25  0:53           ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-28 20:48             ` Jens Lehmann
2012-10-28 21:16               ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-28 21:59               ` Shawn Pearce
2012-10-28 22:34                 ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-29  5:34                   ` Jeff King
2012-10-29 10:45                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-29 10:58                       ` Jeff King
2012-10-29 11:29                         ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-29 11:43                           ` Jeff King
2012-10-29 17:38                             ` Phil Hord
2012-10-29 21:36                               ` Jeff King
2012-10-29 22:21                                 ` Phil Hord
2012-10-29 22:27                                   ` Jeff King
2012-11-09  3:35                                     ` [PATCH v3 0/3] " W. Trevor King
2012-11-09  3:35                                     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] " W. Trevor King
2012-11-09  7:34                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-11-09 16:29                                         ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-10 19:02                                           ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-17 15:04                                             ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-17 19:20                                               ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-17 21:31                                                 ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-17 22:00                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-20  0:49                                                 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2012-11-20  1:16                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-20  5:39                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-11-20 12:19                                                       ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-20 19:52                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-11-23 15:55                                                           ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-23 16:23                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-23 16:30                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-23 17:54                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-26 21:00                                                                 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] git-submodule add: Add --local-branch option W. Trevor King
2012-11-26 21:00                                                                   ` [PATCH v4 1/4] " W. Trevor King
2012-11-26 21:00                                                                   ` [PATCH v4 2/4] git-submodule init: Record submodule.<name>.branch in repository config W. Trevor King
2012-11-27 23:19                                                                     ` Jens Lehmann
2012-11-28  0:40                                                                       ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-30 17:53                                                                       ` [RFC] remove/deprecate 'submodule init' and 'sync' W. Trevor King
2012-11-30 18:17                                                                         ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-30 23:52                                                                         ` Phil Hord
2012-12-01 12:48                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-01 15:42                                                                             ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-01 15:56                                                                           ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-01 16:37                                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-01 16:45                                                                             ` [PATCH] submodule: add 'deinit' command Jens Lehmann
2012-12-02  2:00                                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-02 19:55                                                                                 ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-03  7:58                                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-04 21:48                                                                                     ` [PATCH v2] " Jens Lehmann
2012-12-04 23:06                                                                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12 15:08                                                                                       ` Michael J Gruber
2012-12-12 17:22                                                                                         ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-12 19:32                                                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12 22:25                                                                                             ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-12 22:34                                                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12 23:09                                                                                                 ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-12 23:35                                                                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-13  0:28                                                                                                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-13 15:47                                                                                               ` Marc Branchaud
2012-12-01 15:38                                                                         ` [RFC] remove/deprecate 'submodule init' and 'sync' Jens Lehmann
2012-12-01 16:30                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-01 17:25                                                                             ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-01 17:49                                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-01 18:04                                                                                 ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-01 18:16                                                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-02 19:09                                                                                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-02 20:29                                                                                       ` Jens Lehmann
2012-12-02 21:11                                                                                         ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-01 16:54                                                                         ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-03 15:38                                                                           ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-26 21:00                                                                   ` [PATCH v4 3/4] git-submodule update: Add --branch option W. Trevor King
2012-11-27 18:51                                                                     ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-27 20:21                                                                       ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-26 21:00                                                                   ` [PATCH v4 4/4] Hack fix for 'submodule update does not fetch already present commits' W. Trevor King
2012-11-27 18:31                                                                   ` [PATCH v4 0/4] git-submodule add: Add --local-branch option Heiko Voigt
2012-11-27 19:04                                                                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-27 19:16                                                                     ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-27 19:01                                                                 ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-27 21:18                                                                   ` [PATCH v4 4/4] Hack fix for 'submodule update does not fetch already present commits' W. Trevor King
2012-11-27 23:28                                                                   ` Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] git-submodule add: Add --local-branch option Heiko Voigt
2012-11-28  2:42                                                                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-29 18:51                                                                       ` Phil Hord
2012-11-23 17:24                                                             ` [PATCH v3 1/3] git-submodule add: Add -r/--record option Sascha Cunz
2012-11-23 16:03                                                         ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-28 13:09                                           ` [PATCH v4 0/4] git-submodule add: Add --local-branch option (summary) W. Trevor King
2012-11-28 16:53                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-28 19:30                                               ` [PATCH v5 0/2] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes W. Trevor King
2012-11-28 19:30                                                 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] " W. Trevor King
2012-11-28 19:30                                                 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] submodule add: If --branch is given, record it in .gitmodules W. Trevor King
2012-11-29 16:12                                                 ` [RFC] git-submodule update: Add --commit option W. Trevor King
2012-11-29 16:21                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-29 16:27                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-29 19:13                                                 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes W. Trevor King
2012-11-30  1:11                                                   ` Phil Hord
2012-11-30  3:27                                                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-02  3:17                                                       ` [PATCH v6 0/4] " W. Trevor King
2012-12-02  3:17                                                         ` [PATCH v6 1/4] submodule: add get_submodule_config helper funtion W. Trevor King
2012-12-03 19:30                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-04  0:17                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-11 18:58                                                               ` [PATCH v7 0/3] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes W. Trevor King
2012-12-11 18:58                                                                 ` [PATCH v7 1/3] submodule: add get_submodule_config helper funtion W. Trevor King
2012-12-11 18:58                                                                 ` [PATCH v7 2/3] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes W. Trevor King
2012-12-12 17:43                                                                   ` Phil Hord
2012-12-12 19:54                                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12 23:02                                                                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-19 16:03                                                                       ` [PATCH v8 0/3] " wking
2012-12-19 16:03                                                                         ` [PATCH v8 1/3] submodule: add get_submodule_config helper funtion wking
2012-12-21  8:20                                                                           ` Heiko Voigt
2012-12-21 11:04                                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-19 16:03                                                                         ` [PATCH v8 2/3] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes wking
2012-12-19 16:03                                                                         ` [PATCH v8 3/3] submodule add: If --branch is given, record it in .gitmodules wking
2012-12-19 17:43                                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-21  8:18                                                                         ` [PATCH v8 0/3] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes Heiko Voigt
2012-12-11 18:58                                                                 ` [PATCH v7 3/3] submodule add: If --branch is given, record it in .gitmodules W. Trevor King
2012-12-12  5:42                                                                 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12 15:24                                                                   ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-12 18:19                                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-12 22:44                                                                       ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-02  3:17                                                         ` [PATCH v6 2/4] " W. Trevor King
2012-12-03 16:46                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-03 18:15                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-03 18:38                                                               ` W. Trevor King
2012-12-03 20:29                                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-12-02  3:17                                                         ` [PATCH v6 3/4] submodule add: If --branch is given, record it in .gitmodules W. Trevor King
2012-12-02  3:17                                                         ` [PATCH v6 4/4] submodule update: add submodule.<name>.remote config option W. Trevor King
2012-12-02 19:32                                                       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] submodule update: add --remote for submodule's upstream changes Jens Lehmann
2012-11-10 18:44                                         ` [PATCH v3 1/3] git-submodule add: Add -r/--record option W. Trevor King
2012-11-11 10:33                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-11-11 15:00                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-17 15:30                                               ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-28 19:42                                             ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-28 20:08                                               ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                                       ` <20121109104607.GC4406@ftbfs.org>
2012-11-10 19:11                                         ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-09  3:35                                     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] git-submodule foreach: export .gitmodules settings as variables W. Trevor King
2012-11-09 16:45                                       ` Heiko Voigt
2012-11-10 19:21                                         ` W. Trevor King
2012-11-09  3:35                                     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] git-submodule: Motivate --record with an example use case W. Trevor King
2012-10-25 22:14         ` [PATCH v2] git-submodule add: Add -r/--record option W. Trevor King
2012-10-26 14:00           ` Jeff King
2012-10-23 21:45     ` [PATCH] git-submodule add: Record branch name in .gitmodules Nahor
2012-10-23 20:36   ` Jens Lehmann
2012-10-23 20:55     ` W. Trevor King
2012-10-23 22:02     ` Nahor
2012-10-24 19:10       ` Jens Lehmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-11-28 18:28 [PATCH] submodule update: document exisiting -r form for --rebase W. Trevor King
2012-11-28 19:02 ` Junio C Hamano

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