From: Stephan Feder <sf@b-i-t.de>
To: Martin Waitz <tali@admingilde.org>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Submodules in GIT
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:47:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45704EA3.40203@b-i-t.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061201145817.GY18810@admingilde.org>
Martin Waitz wrote:
> hoi :)
>
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:51:49PM +0100, Stephan Feder wrote:
>> If you work in the supermodule, even if it is in the code of the
>> submodule, you only commit to the supermodule. The submodule does not
>> "know" about these changes after step 1.
>
> I think we are using totally different definitions of "submodule".
No so different. The way I see it is that "I" (meaning with submodules
implemented as I proposed) could pull regularly from "your" repositories
(implemented as you proposed) and work with the result (including
submodules). Could you do the same?
> For me a submodule is responsible for everything in or below a certain
> directory. So by definition when you change something in this
> directory, you have to change it in the submodule.
But you do not consider the case where you cannot change the submodule
because you do not own it.
For example, git has the subproject xdiff. If git had been able to work
with subprojects as I envision, and if xdiff had been published as a git
repository (not necessarily subproject enabled), it could have been
pulled in git's subdirectory xdiff as a subproject. There would not have
been a separate branch or even repository for xdiff in the git repository.
All changes to xdiff in git could have been committed to the git
repository only. Independently, they could have been published to
upstream and be put into the xdiff repository by its author. But the
last part is what only the owner of the xdiff repository is able to decide.
(Ok, ok... the example sucks badly because xdiff has been massively
changed for its usage in git so the changes would not be integrated by
upstream. But you can imagine where you use a library essentially as is,
only if you discover bugs you fix them immediately in your repository
and keep those fixes in your version of the library, even on upgrade,
until the bugs have been fixed by upstream.)
> You can't change the submodule contents in the supermodule without also
> changing the submodule.
> This is just like you can't commit a change to a file without also
> changing the file.
There is a difference. I would say: If you commit a change to a file in
one branch, it need not be changed in all branches.
> Then the supermodule just records the current content of the entire
> tree. The only new thing is that instead of simple files there are now
> submodules and that are also recorded.
Yes, and that is all you need. If the changes are to be part of a branch
of the submodule, they have to be pulled. That is an independent operation.
>> Why do you mix up supermodule and submodule? The way I see your proposal
>> you cannot change submodule and supermodule independently. That is a
>> huge drawback.
>
> No, this is the benefit you get by introducing submodules.
> Why would you want to introduce a submodule when it is not linked to the
> supermodule?
Because the submodule must be independent of the supermodule.
I see where you are coming from. You have one project that is divided
into subprojects but the subprojects themselves are not independent.
What I would like to solve is the followng: You have a project X, an
this project is made part of two other projects Y and Z (as a submodule
or subproject or whatever you want to call it). The project X need not,
must not or cannot care that it was made a subproject. But in projects Y
and Z, you must be able to bugfix or extend or modify the code of
projectX, and you must be able to push and pull changes between all
three projects (of course we are only talking about the code part of
project X).
Do you see where your solution makes that impossible, and that with more
changes to the repository layout?
Regards
Stephan
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Thread overview: 252+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-11-20 21:51 [RFC] Submodules in GIT Martin Waitz
2006-11-20 22:16 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-20 22:28 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-20 22:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-11-20 23:02 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-20 23:52 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 1:31 ` Sam Vilain
2006-11-20 23:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-20 23:25 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-11-20 23:33 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 18:01 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-11-21 19:32 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-20 23:29 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 0:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-11-21 0:42 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-21 6:21 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 10:04 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-21 11:49 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 6:27 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 7:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-11-21 7:55 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 22:31 ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-21 22:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-21 22:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-21 23:54 ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-22 3:40 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-23 23:23 ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-25 6:53 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-25 11:12 ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-25 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-25 19:19 ` Steven Grimm
2006-11-25 19:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-25 23:49 ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-26 1:14 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-26 1:32 ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-26 3:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-26 8:05 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 9:36 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-11-28 10:29 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-28 10:50 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-28 13:35 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-28 15:44 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-28 16:29 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-28 16:36 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-28 17:38 ` Jon Loeliger
2006-11-29 16:15 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-30 11:57 ` sf
[not found] ` <200611301255.41733.andyparkins@gmail.com>
2006-11-30 14:00 ` Stephan Feder
2006-11-30 14:49 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 15:20 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-30 15:30 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 15:50 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-11-30 16:08 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 16:33 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 0:01 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 0:11 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-01 9:32 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 10:19 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 17:19 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-30 16:05 ` sf
2006-11-30 16:12 ` sf
2006-12-01 9:19 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 9:57 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 10:29 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 10:42 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 11:02 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 11:10 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 11:45 ` sf
2006-12-01 12:12 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:28 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 14:11 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 15:12 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 11:46 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 12:16 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:34 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:59 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 14:07 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 11:31 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 12:20 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:37 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 15:16 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-28 19:58 ` Steven Grimm
2006-11-28 21:02 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-29 16:03 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-29 20:00 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 12:16 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-11-30 12:40 ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 17:06 ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-30 18:57 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 8:49 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 9:33 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 10:38 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:03 ` sf
2006-12-01 12:11 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:21 ` sf
2006-12-01 13:43 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 14:23 ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 15:07 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 16:04 ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 16:15 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-05 9:01 ` Uwe Kleine-Koenig
2006-12-05 10:33 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-05 11:11 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-05 15:02 ` Uwe Kleine-Koenig
2006-12-05 15:30 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-05 16:00 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 9:02 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 11:00 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 12:09 ` sf
2006-12-01 12:12 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:05 ` sf
2006-12-01 13:35 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:43 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 13:46 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 14:52 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 15:00 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 16:38 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 17:08 ` sf
2006-12-01 18:06 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 20:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 20:30 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:23 ` Alan Chandler
2006-12-01 22:06 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 22:12 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 22:26 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 22:40 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:17 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:24 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-03 0:55 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03 6:29 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 22:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 22:41 ` sf
2006-12-01 23:03 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 23:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 23:36 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 0:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 9:22 ` Andy Parkins
[not found] ` <200612021255.59972.Josef.Weidendorfer@gmx.de>
2006-12-03 9:42 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-02 11:32 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 20:21 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 20:58 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-03 1:11 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:18 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 21:06 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 21:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 21:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03 2:07 ` Thoughts about memory requirements in traversals [Was: Re: [RFC] Submodules in GIT] Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03 2:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03 2:46 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-12-03 3:21 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03 11:10 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 11:47 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03 20:46 ` [RFC] Submodules in GIT Martin Waitz
2006-12-03 22:16 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-03 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03 22:49 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-04 11:12 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 23:49 ` sf
2006-12-02 18:57 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-02 19:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03 9:19 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-03 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-04 20:26 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-04 20:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-04 21:36 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-05 10:42 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-05 11:09 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-05 10:38 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-05 11:01 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 19:33 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-05 2:33 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-12-05 22:07 ` sf
2006-12-09 21:34 ` R. Steve McKown
2006-12-10 11:47 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-14 21:27 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-14 23:07 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-15 17:43 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-15 21:42 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-15 23:43 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 1:13 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 1:20 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 1:34 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-16 8:40 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 9:57 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-16 10:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-12-16 15:05 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 15:38 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 16:32 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-17 0:21 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 1:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 2:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 8:50 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-02 20:12 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 22:55 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 23:07 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 0:14 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 0:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 9:27 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-04 18:56 ` Michael K. Edwards
2006-12-05 1:31 ` Sam Vilain
2006-12-01 22:35 ` sf
2006-12-08 18:29 ` Jon Loeliger
2006-12-08 18:45 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-12 8:32 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 17:14 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 16:57 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 18:08 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 18:51 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:51 ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 14:58 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 15:47 ` Stephan Feder [this message]
2006-12-01 16:54 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 17:33 ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 18:48 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:34 ` sf
2006-12-02 19:46 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 19:17 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 19:38 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 21:04 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 21:37 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 21:54 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 22:08 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 10:04 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-02 13:50 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:43 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-03 1:02 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:40 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 13:14 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-02 13:08 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-02 12:48 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-28 17:28 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 18:08 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-28 18:37 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 19:06 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-28 20:41 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 21:10 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-28 21:32 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 21:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-20 22:49 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-21 7:21 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-22 5:29 ` Petr Baudis
2006-12-02 20:16 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 1:24 ` Robin Rosenberg
2006-12-03 1:31 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 12:22 ` Robin Rosenberg
2006-12-03 12:31 ` Jakub Narebski
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