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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
Cc: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Brandon Casey <drafnel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:04:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130609180437.GB810@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALkWK0mu2_9M5aTczcEkv37eLaAg5_mGDZ_W9nqQFoesB4wc3g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:18:51PM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:

> > I have consistently found your demeanor on the list to be very
> > unfriendly and difficult to work with. It is one thing to have honest
> > and straight talk, and another thing to be obstinate, unmindful of
> > feedback (both with respect to technical details, as well as to
> > communication styles), and disrespectful of other people.
> 
> While I agree that being rude and obstinate is definitely undesirable,
> and that a healthy on-list environment is important, I have something
> to add:
> 
> Being super-tactful comes at a cost.

I actually think word choice and politeness is only a small part of it,
and one that I live without.  It is not just _how_ something is said,
but _what_ is said. And sometimes what is said does not lead in a
productive direction. I found Thomas's comment here:

  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/227053

sums up the core of many of the conflicts I've seen on the list.

I am less interested in people's feelings than I am in discussions
trying to reach a productive position of agreement, rather than turning
it into a point by point debate that may no longer have any use for the
project (sometimes individual points need to be refuted or discussed, of
course, but it is easy to lose sight of the purpose of an email).

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-09 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-07 22:16 [PATCH 0/2] Move sequencer Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 22:16 ` [PATCH 1/2] log-tree: remove dependency from sequencer Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 22:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08  2:35   ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 10:14     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 11:42       ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 12:25         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 12:34           ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 12:55             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 13:15               ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 13:32                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 13:34                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 14:10                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 14:10                   ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 14:20                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  4:34                       ` Jeff King
2013-06-09  9:58                         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 17:55                           ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:06                             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:11                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:22                               ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:29                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:44                                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:49                                   ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:54                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:07                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 12:09                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 13:28             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 16:49         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-08 17:06           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 17:34             ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-08 17:44               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 19:15               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  1:40                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09  2:17                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  3:21                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09  3:34                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  5:26                     ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 12:15                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 17:40                         ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:01                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:10                             ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:16                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 19:11                                 ` Johan Herland
2013-06-09 19:29                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 21:42                                   ` Michael Haggerty
2013-06-09 23:40                                     ` Stefano Lattarini
2013-06-10  5:15                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  9:05                                         ` Bad attitudes and problems in the Git community (was: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin) Stefano Lattarini
2013-06-10 16:58                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 18:11                                             ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2013-06-10 18:33                                               ` Martin Langhoff
2013-06-10 18:40                                                 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2013-06-10 21:34                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  5:12                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Felipe Contreras
2013-06-11  9:18                             ` Andres Freund
2013-06-11  9:29                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-20 21:11                                 ` Thiago Farina
2013-06-09 17:53                         ` Thomas Rast
2013-06-09 18:03                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 12:48                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 13:08                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:04                         ` Jeff King [this message]
2013-06-09 18:32                           ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:45                             ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 19:57                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09 20:07                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 20:34                                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 21:39                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10  5:06                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  8:32                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10 16:53                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 16:55                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 17:34                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-10 18:09                                         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-10 21:43                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:48                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 19:25                             ` Thomas Rast
2013-06-09 19:54                               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 20:02                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08  3:35 ` [PATCH 0/2] Move sequencer Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 10:26   ` Felipe Contreras

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