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From: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Brandon Casey <drafnel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:04:36 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALkWK0kMdQEXMTAwFLdz=FXEFiJfemM-+80SCALqS8q9yyr2Qw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130609195706.GA2919@elie.Belkin>

Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Of course the git development community is not organized enough for an
> intervention, but as context I thought I'd mention that that's what
> works.

Atleast this is more interesting that the canned
Felipe-demeanour-complaint people constantly bring up boring everyone
to death.

> In that case, I can see a simple solution.  Felipe, who provides the
> most patches in git.git, by far (I don't know what that means, but
> I'll take it as an assumption), can put up a fork of git that you run.
> He can solicit whatever level of review he is comfortable with before
> pushing out changes, and then the result is available, without the
> pesky middle-man of those theorizers that were trying to develop git a
> different way and then got annoyed.
>
> No harm done, right?  It doesn't have to involve the list, because
> what's relevant in this worldview is code, not the people.

I'm still scratching my head over what you interpreted.  People are
not unimportant!  Code is result of everyone in the community
scratching their itches.  I value each and every community member, and
git.git wouldn't be what it is today without everyone.  How did you
interpret that as "I am only interested in Felipe's work, and everyone
else is a theorizing buffoon"?  I specifically said theorizing about
Felipe's behavior over and over and over again is not changing
anything.  Stay on topic, and discuss how to improve libgit.a.

To me, it is important that everyone stays productive, so we can
maximize output.  I want more review, more discussions, more code.  I
get bored out of my mind when Junio does feature freezes and nothing
goes in.  Obviously, people getting offended and writing long
emotional rants on the list is unproductive and undesirable.

> So why aren't I privately ignoring his messages and letting the list
> become what it may?  It would seem that I'm making the problem much
> worse, by starting discussions that focus of how to stop pushing other
> contributors away instead of (what's important) code!

It is imperative that you express your opinion and discuss it, if
something is troubling you.  What is this dichotomy between
contributors and code?  When did I discuss pushing contributors away?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-09 20:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-07 22:16 [PATCH 0/2] Move sequencer Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 22:16 ` [PATCH 1/2] log-tree: remove dependency from sequencer Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 22:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08  2:35   ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 10:14     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 11:42       ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 12:25         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 12:34           ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 12:55             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 13:15               ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 13:32                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 13:34                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 14:10                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 14:10                   ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 14:20                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  4:34                       ` Jeff King
2013-06-09  9:58                         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 17:55                           ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:06                             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:11                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:22                               ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:29                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:44                                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:49                                   ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:54                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:07                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 12:09                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 13:28             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 16:49         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-08 17:06           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 17:34             ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-08 17:44               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 19:15               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  1:40                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09  2:17                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  3:21                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09  3:34                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  5:26                     ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 12:15                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 17:40                         ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:01                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:10                             ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:16                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 19:11                                 ` Johan Herland
2013-06-09 19:29                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 21:42                                   ` Michael Haggerty
2013-06-09 23:40                                     ` Stefano Lattarini
2013-06-10  5:15                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  9:05                                         ` Bad attitudes and problems in the Git community (was: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin) Stefano Lattarini
2013-06-10 16:58                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 18:11                                             ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2013-06-10 18:33                                               ` Martin Langhoff
2013-06-10 18:40                                                 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2013-06-10 21:34                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  5:12                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Felipe Contreras
2013-06-11  9:18                             ` Andres Freund
2013-06-11  9:29                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-20 21:11                                 ` Thiago Farina
2013-06-09 17:53                         ` Thomas Rast
2013-06-09 18:03                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 12:48                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 13:08                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:04                         ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:32                           ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:45                             ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 19:57                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09 20:07                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 20:34                                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra [this message]
2013-06-09 21:39                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10  5:06                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  8:32                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10 16:53                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 16:55                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 17:34                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-10 18:09                                         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-10 21:43                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:48                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 19:25                             ` Thomas Rast
2013-06-09 19:54                               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 20:02                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08  3:35 ` [PATCH 0/2] Move sequencer Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 10:26   ` Felipe Contreras

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