From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
"Johannes Sixt" <j6t@kdbg.org>,
"Øystein Walle" <oystwa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] Makefile: make command-list.h 2-5x as fast with -jN
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:34:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YXF6Wwcvc0vq5ADZ@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <211021.86ilxrmbb9.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 02:48:24AM +0200, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> >> There's subtle dependency issues there as well, and just having a
> >> one-off solution for the the command-list.h doesn't get us closer to
> >> addressing that sibling implementation.
> >
> > So I don't know what "subtle dependency issues" you found here, but this
> > is exactly the kind of complexity it was my goal to avoid.
>
> But how? I don't see how narrowly making the loop in generate-cmdlist.sh
> gets us closer to generating the "cmds_txt" in the
> Documentation/Makefile.
What I meant is that the work to get everything right in the Makefile to
correctly handle dependencies and a partial rebuild can be tricky. For
instance, you're still stuck with a big wildcard dependency on
Documentation/git*.txt (and a manual list of exclusions in the Makefile)
because it's hard in make to do make new dynamic rules based on an
existing one (i.e., the list _should_ come from what's in
command-list.txt). Or the fact that we apparently need to keep the old
script around or cmake anyway.
It's also much slower. Here are from-scratch builds before and after
your patch 7:
$ hyperfine --warmup 1 -p 'make clean' 'make command-list.h'
Benchmark #1: make command-list.h
Time (mean ± σ): 1.527 s ± 0.060 s [User: 1.320 s, System: 0.649 s]
Range (min … max): 1.433 s … 1.625 s 10 runs
$ hyperfine --warmup 1 -p 'make clean' 'make command-list.h'
Benchmark #1: make command-list.h
Time (mean ± σ): 2.661 s ± 0.080 s [User: 2.359 s, System: 1.082 s]
Range (min … max): 2.481 s … 2.756 s 10 runs
I know that partial builds will offset that in some cases, but it still
feels like a step in the wrong direction. Even with a partial build,
swapping out "make clean" for "touch Documentation/git-add.txt" takes
about 200ms for me. Whereas with the faster version of
generate-cmdlist.sh I showed, it takes 150ms.
Now performance isn't everything, and it's possible these partial
snippets will be useful in other places. But I'm not sure I see any real
advantage in this series, and it seems like we're taking a hit in both
performance and complexity in the meantime.
-Peff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-21 14:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-24 13:16 Why the Makefile is so eager to re-build & re-link Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-24 15:16 ` Jeff King
2021-06-24 15:28 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-24 21:30 ` Johannes Sixt
2021-06-25 8:34 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-25 9:01 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-29 2:13 ` Jeff King
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 0/8] Makefile: make command-list.h 2-5x as fast with -jN Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 1/8] command-list.txt: sort with "LC_ALL=C sort" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 2/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: trivial whitespace change Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 3/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: spawn fewer processes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 4/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't call get_categories() from category_list() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 5/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: run "grep | sort", not "sort | grep" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 6/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace for loop by printf's auto-repeat feature Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 14:42 ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 16:25 ` Jeff King
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 7/8] Makefile: stop having command-list.h depend on a wildcard Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 14:45 ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 18:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-21 22:46 ` Øystein Walle
2021-10-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 8/8] Makefile: assert correct generate-cmdlist.sh output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 20:35 ` [PATCH 0/8] Makefile: make command-list.h 2-5x as fast with -jN Jeff King
2021-10-20 21:31 ` Taylor Blau
2021-10-20 23:14 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 23:46 ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 0:48 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 2:20 ` Taylor Blau
2021-10-22 12:37 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 14:34 ` Jeff King [this message]
2021-10-21 22:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 10:51 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 18:31 ` Jeff King
2021-10-22 20:50 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 5:39 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Makefile: make generate-cmdlist.sh much faster Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] command-list.txt: sort with "LC_ALL=C sort" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 18:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-25 21:22 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 21:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: trivial whitespace change Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: spawn fewer processes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't call get_categories() from category_list() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: run "grep | sort", not "sort | grep" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace for loop by printf's auto-repeat feature Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: stop sorting category lines Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 16:39 ` Jeff King
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: do not shell out to "sed" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 16:46 ` Jeff King
2021-10-25 17:52 ` Jeff King
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace "grep' invocation with a shell version Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-23 22:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-23 22:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace "cut", "tr" and "grep" with pure-shell Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-23 22:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 21:20 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Makefile: make generate-cmdlist.sh much faster Taylor Blau
2021-10-23 22:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-25 16:57 ` Jeff King
2021-11-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: make it (and "make") run faster Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:07 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] command-list.txt: sort with "LC_ALL=C sort" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 22:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-06 4:26 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-08 19:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: trivial whitespace change Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: spawn fewer processes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 22:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-06 4:23 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't call get_categories() from category_list() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: run "grep | sort", not "sort | grep" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace for loop by printf's auto-repeat feature Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: stop sorting category lines Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: do not shell out to "sed" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace "grep' invocation with a shell version Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't parse command-list.txt thrice Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-25 21:17 ` Why the Makefile is so eager to re-build & re-link Felipe Contreras
2021-06-29 5:04 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-06-24 23:35 ` Øystein Walle
2021-06-24 23:39 ` Øystein Walle
2021-06-25 0:11 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-02 11:58 ` [PATCH] Documentation/Makefile: don't re-build on 'git version' changes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-02 15:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-03 11:58 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-05 19:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-03 1:05 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-03 12:03 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-03 18:56 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-05 19:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-06 22:25 ` Felipe Contreras
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