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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>,
	Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Why the Makefile is so eager to re-build & re-link
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 11:16:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YNSh0CskelTwuZq0@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874kdn1j6i.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 03:16:48PM +0200, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> This is probably all stuff that's been on list-before / known by
> some/all people in the CC list, but in case not: I looked a bit into why
> we'e so frequently re-linking and re compiling things these days,
> slowing down e.g. "git rebase --exec='make ...'".
> 
> These are all fixable issues, I haven't worked on them, just some notes
> in case anyone has better ideas:

From a quick skim I didn't see anything wrong in your analysis or
suggestions. I do kind of wonder if we are hitting a point of
diminishing returns here. "make -j16" on my system takes ~175ms for a
noop, and ~650ms if I have to regenerate version.h (it's something like
2s total of CPU, but I have 8 cores).

I know I've probably got a nicer machine than many other folks. But at
some point correctness and avoiding complexity in the Makefile become a
win over shaving off a second from compile times. You'd probably find
lower hanging fruit in the test suite which could shave off tens of
seconds. :)

>  * {command,config}-list.h (and in-flight, my hook-list.h): Every time
>    you touch a Documentation/git-*.txt we need to re-generate these, and
>    since their mtime changes we re-compile and re-link all the way up to
>    libgit and our other tools.
> 
>    I think the best solution here is to make the generate-*.sh
>    shellscripts faster (just one takes ~300ms of nested shellscripting,
>    just to grep out the first few lines of every git-*.txt, in e.g. Perl
>    or a smarter awk script this would be <5ms).

Yeah, I think Eric mentioned he had looked into doing this in perl, but
we weren't entirely happy with the dependency. Here's another really odd
thing I noticed:

  $ time sh ./generate-cmdlist.sh command-list.txt >one
  real	0m1.323s
  user	0m1.531s
  sys	0m0.834s

  $ time sh -x ./generate-cmdlist.sh command-list.txt >two
  [a bunch of trace output]
  real	0m0.513s
  user	0m0.754s
  sys	0m0.168s

  $ cmp one two
  [no output]

Er, what? Running with "-x" makes it almost 3 times faster to generate
the same output? I'd have said this is an anomaly, but it's repeatable
(and swapping the order produces the same output, so it's not some weird
priming thing). And then to top it all off, redirecting the trace is
slow again:

  $ time sh -x ./generate-cmdlist.sh command-list.txt >two 2>/dev/null
  real	0m1.363s
  user	0m1.538s
  sys	0m0.902s

A little mini-mystery that I think I may leave unsolved for now.

>    Then we make those FORCE, but most of the time the config or command
>    summary (or list of hooks) doesn't change, so we don't need to
>    replace the file.

Yes, possibly we could use the "if it hasn't changed, don't update the
file" trick to avoid cascading updates.

> Perhaps even better would be to piggy-back on the RUNTIME_PREFIX
> support, and simply drop in generated plain-text files, so in your build
> checkout the list of hooks, commands etc. would be parsed instead of
> compiled in. Then we wouldn't need to re-build or re-link anything for
> the version or this other data.

Yeah, that would work. I worry a bit that the value of something like
"version.h" is lost with a runtime file, though. The point is to bake it
into the binary so you can't accidentally get the wrong value (say, from
running "./git" from the build directory, which looks at the runtime
file where the binary _would_ be installed, except you haven't run "make
install" yet).

For cmdlist stuff it could be a good match, though.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-24 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-24 13:16 Why the Makefile is so eager to re-build & re-link Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-24 15:16 ` Jeff King [this message]
2021-06-24 15:28   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-24 21:30   ` Johannes Sixt
2021-06-25  8:34     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-25  9:01       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-29  2:13       ` Jeff King
2021-10-20 18:39         ` [PATCH 0/8] Makefile: make command-list.h 2-5x as fast with -jN Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 1/8] command-list.txt: sort with "LC_ALL=C sort" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 2/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: trivial whitespace change Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 3/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: spawn fewer processes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 4/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't call get_categories() from category_list() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 5/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: run "grep | sort", not "sort | grep" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 6/8] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace for loop by printf's auto-repeat feature Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 14:42             ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 16:25               ` Jeff King
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 7/8] Makefile: stop having command-list.h depend on a wildcard Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 14:45             ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 18:24               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-21 22:46             ` Øystein Walle
2021-10-20 18:39           ` [PATCH 8/8] Makefile: assert correct generate-cmdlist.sh output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 20:35           ` [PATCH 0/8] Makefile: make command-list.h 2-5x as fast with -jN Jeff King
2021-10-20 21:31             ` Taylor Blau
2021-10-20 23:14               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-20 23:46                 ` Jeff King
2021-10-21  0:48                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21  2:20                     ` Taylor Blau
2021-10-22 12:37                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 14:34                     ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 22:34                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 10:51                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 18:31                         ` Jeff King
2021-10-22 20:50                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21  5:39                 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-10-22 19:36           ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Makefile: make generate-cmdlist.sh much faster Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 01/10] command-list.txt: sort with "LC_ALL=C sort" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 18:29               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-25 21:22                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 21:26                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 02/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: trivial whitespace change Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 03/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: spawn fewer processes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 04/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't call get_categories() from category_list() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 05/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: run "grep | sort", not "sort | grep" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 06/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace for loop by printf's auto-repeat feature Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 07/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: stop sorting category lines Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 16:39               ` Jeff King
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 08/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: do not shell out to "sed" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 16:46               ` Jeff King
2021-10-25 17:52                 ` Jeff King
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 09/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace "grep' invocation with a shell version Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-23 22:19               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-23 22:26               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 19:36             ` [PATCH v2 10/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace "cut", "tr" and "grep" with pure-shell Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-23 22:26               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22 21:20             ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Makefile: make generate-cmdlist.sh much faster Taylor Blau
2021-10-23 22:34             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-25 16:57             ` Jeff King
2021-11-05 14:07             ` [PATCH v3 00/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: make it (and "make") run faster Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:07               ` [PATCH v3 01/10] command-list.txt: sort with "LC_ALL=C sort" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 22:45                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-06  4:26                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-08 19:18                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 02/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: trivial whitespace change Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 03/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: spawn fewer processes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 22:47                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-06  4:23                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 04/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't call get_categories() from category_list() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 05/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: run "grep | sort", not "sort | grep" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 06/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace for loop by printf's auto-repeat feature Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 07/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: stop sorting category lines Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 08/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: do not shell out to "sed" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 09/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: replace "grep' invocation with a shell version Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05 14:08               ` [PATCH v3 10/10] generate-cmdlist.sh: don't parse command-list.txt thrice Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-25 21:17   ` Why the Makefile is so eager to re-build & re-link Felipe Contreras
2021-06-29  5:04   ` Eric Sunshine
2021-06-24 23:35 ` Øystein Walle
2021-06-24 23:39   ` Øystein Walle
2021-06-25  0:11   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-02 11:58 ` [PATCH] Documentation/Makefile: don't re-build on 'git version' changes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-02 15:53   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-03 11:58     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-05 19:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-03  1:05   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-03 12:03     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-03 18:56       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-05 19:38       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-06 22:25         ` Felipe Contreras

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