* Re: libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 113, Issue 15 [not found] <mailman.95.1568736033.31266.libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> @ 2019-09-17 17:59 ` fudmier via libreplanet-discuss 2019-09-17 23:14 ` What will we do without Richard Stallman? Push for more software freedom as per usual J.B. Nicholson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: fudmier via libreplanet-discuss @ 2019-09-17 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss Forcing human rights and democracy first Icon Stallman to resign..seems to suggest a bigger plan with roots in a design that has as its object to deny to the world the open source developer invented products and instructional expertise. Becoming an expert "by doing" is far better and cheaper then allowing oneself to be victimized by educational systems that obligate one to incur a lifetime of debt just to obtain credentials from a major monopoly powered accreditation source. Keeping developers with expertise outside of the monopoly owned mainstream is an essential component of a democratic society.?? Nearly every curtailment of democracy in recent times, can be traced to the effort of a monopoly powered global corporation.???? Let us not forget that copyrights, patents and privatization of public goods and services into private hands skews the distribution of wealth (because of these monopolies, 100 persons or so have the net worth of the rest of the population) and that skew allows them to restrain competition and deny open access. The danger is that monopolist can destroy free, open and full access to information and they can deny/gate for money access to expertise and interactive learning experiences Walling information, charging for access to experience and training seem to tract to the domestic and foreign intelligence agencies who use the monopoly powered private purveyors of propaganda to assist them in curtailing freedom and democracy. Gee, what will we do without Richard Stallman? On 2019-09-17 11:00 AM, libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org wrote: > Send libreplanet-discuss mailing list submissions to > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > libreplanet-discuss-owner@libreplanet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of libreplanet-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is Stallman nuts? (Adrienne G. Thompson) > 2. Samsung Galaxy S2 for Replicant (was: ???Promote NoPhone??? > is a path to nowhere) (Dmitry Alexandrov) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:22:25 -0500 > From: "Adrienne G. Thompson" <adriennegayethompson@gmail.com> > To: quiliro@riseup.net > Cc: MARY-ANNE WOLF <mgwmgw@comcast.net>, libreplanet-discuss > <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts? > Message-ID: > <CACvtE5F==2h45xphPDJfZe9tDXR+pks2hXnqkt6mw0sLP3bSQQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Quiliro, I see you're at riseup.net! > > >> Your message has made Richard Stallman, an icon to human rights, resign as >> president of the board of directors and as president of the FSF. >> >> As for me, I will stop preferring women for positions on free software >> technical areas. I think that they will earn them if they deserve such >> positions. >> > Affirmative action is a noble concept, but sometimes adopting the policy > just doesn't make sense. You always need the very best for technical > positions - which should accordingly be earned on merit. I doubt that I > will be "preferring women" for technical positions at GNU C-Graph! > > This whole business smells like a set-up. I've noted the number of people > who rushed to distance themselves from rms, some of whom he might once have > considered friends. RMS will rise again in the blink of an eye! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *You may write me down in historyWith your bitter, twisted lies,You may > trod me in the very dirtBut still, like dust, I'll rise.You may shoot me > with your words,You may cut me with your eyes,You may kill me with your > hatefulness,But still, like air, I???ll rise.Just like moons and like > suns,With the certainty of tides,Just like hopes springing high,Still I'll > rise.* > > >From "Still I Rise" by Maya Angelou > > Adrienne G. Thompson > Author and Inventor, GNU C-Graph > She/Her _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* What will we do without Richard Stallman? Push for more software freedom as per usual. 2019-09-17 17:59 ` libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 113, Issue 15 fudmier via libreplanet-discuss @ 2019-09-17 23:14 ` J.B. Nicholson 2019-09-20 20:29 ` FSF has begun a search for a new president Dmitry Alexandrov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: J.B. Nicholson @ 2019-09-17 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss fudmier via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > Forcing human rights and democracy first Icon Stallman to resign..seems > to suggest a bigger plan with roots in a design that has as its object > to deny to the world the open source developer invented products and > instructional expertise. It would be better not to conflate Stallman or his work with "open source". As he (and history) have made clear: he founded the free software movement (a social movement) over a decade before "open source" (a development methodology). He has mentioned in multiple interviews, articles, and virtually every speech I've ever heard him give (including almost all on https://audio-video.gnu.org/) that he does not stand for open source but for free software. I trust the readership of this mailing list doesn't need anyone to recite a long list of links to this end. For anyone new to free software: welcome and please do read the essays on https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ because the issues discussed therein are still apropos to the FSF's central mission and what we mainly talk about on this mailing list. > Gee, what will we do without Richard Stallman? You might not have intended it this way, but I hope that this question is taken with utmost seriousness. Fortunately for us he's not dead; RMS can continue to publish informative, insightful essays & talks on his own. However: 1. RMS is mortal and (like us all) will someday die, 2. the FSF has begun a search for a new president. (per https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns), Because of these things there is a chance someone will become the next FSF president who isn't the sharp defender of software freedom RMS has always been. It would be a shame if the FSF made a compromise where they favored sating a desire for identity politics, say, and occasionally gave into proprietor pressure groups or ran proprietary software over someone who consistently demonstrated unyielding support for software freedom. I hope they'll pick someone who is deeply informed about free software, and who possesses a sharp, critical stance in defense of software freedom. The mission of the FSF doesn't change just because they get a new president. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: FSF has begun a search for a new president 2019-09-17 23:14 ` What will we do without Richard Stallman? Push for more software freedom as per usual J.B. Nicholson @ 2019-09-20 20:29 ` Dmitry Alexandrov 2019-09-21 22:36 ` Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-09-20 20:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 747 bytes --] "J.B. Nicholson" <jbn@forestfield.org> wrote: > 2. the FSF has begun a search for a new president. (per https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns), > It would be a shame if the FSF made a compromise where they favored sating a desire for identity politics… > I hope they'll pick someone who is deeply informed about free software, and who possesses a sharp, critical stance in defense of software freedom. As far as I am aware, for the years of Dr. Stallman’s presidency, that position was a full-time occupation with a salary of round 0 (zero) dollars per month (or per year, I am not sure :-). Where should they search for a person of that kind to fill such a vacancy, I wonder. Or is this practice subject to change? [-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 487 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: FSF has begun a search for a new president 2019-09-20 20:29 ` FSF has begun a search for a new president Dmitry Alexandrov @ 2019-09-21 22:36 ` Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss @ 2019-09-21 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dmitry Alexandrov; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1719 bytes --] On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 23:29:13 +0300 Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> wrote: > "J.B. Nicholson" <jbn@forestfield.org> wrote: > > 2. the FSF has begun a search for a new president. (per > > https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns), > > > It would be a shame if the FSF made a compromise where they favored > > sating a desire for identity politics… I hope they'll pick someone > > who is deeply informed about free software, and who possesses a > > sharp, critical stance in defense of software freedom. > > As far as I am aware, for the years of Dr. Stallman’s presidency, > that position was a full-time occupation with a salary of round 0 > (zero) dollars per month (or per year, I am not sure :-). > > Where should they search for a person of that kind to fill such a > vacancy, I wonder. Or is this practice subject to change? Alexandre Olivier of FSFLA is, in my opinion, the *best* choice of leader to replace RMS. He has a proven track record in all of the criteria mentioned by the OP. -- Leah Rowe <info@minifree.org> Company Director & Libreboot developer https://minifree.org/ https://libreboot.org/ Do you know you have rights? The right to privacy, free speech, the right to read and the right to learn. The right not to be spied on and censored by the government. Defend freedom. Use free (free as in freedom) software. Spread freedom. Tell everyone you know about it! https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom. Registered in England, registration No. 9361826 VAT Registration No. GB202190462 Minifree Ltd, 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island Essex SS8 9QA, United Kingdom United Kingdom [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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