From: Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net>
To: Yasuaki Kudo <yasu@yasuaki.com>, quiliro@riseup.net
Cc: libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org>
Subject: Re: Were Intellectual Property to be abolished altogether, would you or FSF support it?
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:14:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a3cc5b0-2cbc-400e-e349-01b56f7802bb@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72C25EA3-3AC0-46FB-894C-ACC85B28AECA@yasuaki.com>
If you want a lot more to reflect on, one option is my own long essay
from years ago that itself has tons of links:
https://blog.wolftune.com/2008/06/rational-view-of-copyright.html
(apologies if there's anything objectionable on the site, I've tried to
make it clean, but I started on Blogger before I understood free
software well enough, and I *still* haven't gotten around to escaping to
my own server, it's on my task list)
On 2021-07-11 4:04 p.m., Yasuaki Kudo wrote:
> Thank you for all of your replies - I am no legal expert but in framing
> this hypothesis, the spirit of abolishing the Intellectual Property
> would perhaps also need to be stated (Legislators probably wouldn't be
> able to even make a draft without it 😅) and the society will need to be
> supportive of it.
>
> Otherwise, there will be all sorts of ways to work around the abolition
> , including never releasing the relevant information to the public.
>
> And yes, trademarks etc - it would be very inconvenient if we couldn't
> even make unique identifications 😅
>
> And there seems to be a long history for this
> subject. [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright
>
> My original motivation of this inquiry is that my partners and I are in
> the process of starting an IT-focused 'worker cooperative' where, just
> like the GPL licensing, there is almost a playful inversion of
> Capitalistic values. We will probably need to make software licensing
> decisions sooner or later and I wanted to get a wholistic view of this
> matter 😄.
>
> -Yasu
>
> On Jul 12, 2021, at 03:27, quiliro@riseup.net wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2021-07-10 4:44 p.m., Yasuaki Kudo wrote:
>
> This is a thought experiment:
>
> Would you or FSF support the idea of abolishing the concept of
>
> intellectual property altogether, making any form of 'Software
>
> Licensing', including GPL, null and void. Gone also will be any
>
> form of Patents and Copyrights.
>
> Just curious 😄
>
> -Yasu
>
> Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net> writes:
>
> I support the abolition of copyright and patent law while keeping
>
> trademark law and moving some important things to new laws:
>
> - mandate source release for published works
>
> - prohibit DRM
>
> - expand trademark law to cover all forms of plaigiarism (some
> aspects
>
> of that rely on copyright today, which is a bad legal structure)
>
> Abolishing copyright and patent laws without the rest *might* still
> be
>
> net positive, but it would definitely have a mix of pros and cons.
>
> Aaron
>
> Snowdrift.coop
>
> I like Aaron's take. Yasuaki: consider that if you remove copyright
> without Aaron's suggestions, it would make all programs for which
> source
> code is not provided non-free software. And, as Aaron has also
> mentioned, some copyleft licences (such as the AGPL) prevent DRM in a
> way. Censorship in any form is bad for freedom.
>
> References
>
> 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright
>
>
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2021-07-11 23:04 ` Were Intellectual Property to be abolished altogether, would you or FSF support it? Yasuaki Kudo
2021-07-12 0:14 ` Aaron Wolf [this message]
2021-07-12 5:43 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2021-07-12 12:48 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2021-07-12 19:41 ` jahoti via libreplanet-discuss
2021-07-12 20:29 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2021-07-12 21:12 ` jahoti via libreplanet-discuss
2021-07-12 21:37 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2021-07-12 21:45 ` jahoti via libreplanet-discuss
2021-07-13 7:18 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2021-07-13 7:32 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-07-13 8:27 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-13 9:59 ` Yasuaki Kudo
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2021-07-12 21:26 ` Yasuaki Kudo
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2021-07-12 3:59 ` Yasuaki Kudo
2021-07-10 23:44 Yasuaki Kudo
2021-07-10 23:50 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-07-11 7:19 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2021-07-11 15:50 ` Aaron Wolf
2021-07-11 7:28 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2021-08-07 19:44 ` Julian Daich
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