* What's the best URL shortener? @ 2018-03-20 6:12 Don Saklad 2018-03-20 11:39 ` Steven D. Brewer ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Don Saklad @ 2018-03-20 6:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss What's the best URL shortener? _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 6:12 What's the best URL shortener? Don Saklad @ 2018-03-20 11:39 ` Steven D. Brewer 2018-03-20 13:09 ` Thomas Harding 2018-03-20 12:44 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 2018-03-23 2:00 ` David Paul 2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Steven D. Brewer @ 2018-03-20 11:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss On 3/20/18 2:12 AM, Don Saklad wrote: > What's the best URL shortener? Buy a short domain name and write short URLs? ^_^ -- Steven D. BREWER <sbrewer@bio.umass.edu> http://www.bio.umass.edu/biology/about/directories/faculty/steven-d-brewer Senior Lecturer II; Director, Biology Computer Resource Center Kiam nokto vualas, ĉiuj koloroj egalas. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 11:39 ` Steven D. Brewer @ 2018-03-20 13:09 ` Thomas Harding 2018-03-20 13:48 ` David Hedlund 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Thomas Harding @ 2018-03-20 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss Le 20 mars 2018 12:39:44 GMT+01:00, "Steven D. Brewer" <sbrewer@bio.umass.edu> a écrit : >On 3/20/18 2:12 AM, Don Saklad wrote: >> What's the best URL shortener? > >Buy a short domain name and write short URLs <grind> An RRDB with an eight bytes key + a small front-end to generate an HTTP redirect header. While I don't understand why people wants anyone can't remain what they wants to refer more than one day (...) -- Je suis née pour partager, non la haine, mais l'amour. Sophocle, Antigone, 442 av. J.C. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 13:09 ` Thomas Harding @ 2018-03-20 13:48 ` David Hedlund 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: David Hedlund @ 2018-03-20 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 6:12 What's the best URL shortener? Don Saklad 2018-03-20 11:39 ` Steven D. Brewer @ 2018-03-20 12:44 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 2018-03-20 13:06 ` Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo 2018-03-23 2:00 ` David Paul 2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2018-03-20 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss I go for the same recommendation that some gave: buy a short domain and run a simple webserver that is responsible for shortening URLs. One can, of course, rely on some third-party to do this, but I found out that most common URL shorteners *do more nasty stuff* --- such as requiring you to automatically run non-free software using JavaScript in your web browser --- than just shortening the addresses. Even so, suppose a given service is found by you to be "good", it doesn't mean it will be "good" in the future. I remember back in 2005 when some good URL shorteners decided to misuse their popularity. -- - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo. - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV. - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 12:44 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2018-03-20 13:06 ` Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo @ 2018-03-20 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1096 bytes --] On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 09:44:30AM -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > I go for the same recommendation that some gave: buy a short domain and > run a simple webserver that is responsible for shortening URLs. > > One can, of course, rely on some third-party to do this, but I found out > that most common URL shorteners *do more nasty stuff* --- such as > requiring you to automatically run non-free software using JavaScript in > your web browser --- than just shortening the addresses. Even so, > suppose a given service is found by you to be "good", it doesn't mean it > will be "good" in the future. I remember back in 2005 when some good URL > shorteners decided to misuse their popularity. I am still clueless as to why the need to use an URL shortener at all. They are either "digital", which means people should be able to just click them; or they are on paper and people need to write them down or remember them, to which I say: use a rememberable URL, not a short one that people won't remember. Compare example.com/tuesday_meetings to yy.zz/A1G8P9. Cascardo. [-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 6:12 What's the best URL shortener? Don Saklad 2018-03-20 11:39 ` Steven D. Brewer 2018-03-20 12:44 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2018-03-23 2:00 ` David Paul 2018-03-23 4:58 ` J.B. Nicholson 2018-03-23 11:36 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: David Paul @ 2018-03-23 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Don Saklad; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss On 3/20/18, Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> wrote: > What's the best URL shortener? Better question: Should you use a URL shortener at all? Answer: No. URL shorteners obufuscate the destination of a link and if the shortening service ever shuts down, all the shortened URL become dead links to who knows what. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-23 2:00 ` David Paul @ 2018-03-23 4:58 ` J.B. Nicholson 2018-03-23 11:03 ` Danny Spitzberg 2018-03-23 11:36 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: J.B. Nicholson @ 2018-03-23 4:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss David Paul wrote: > Better question: Should you use a URL shortener at all? > > Answer: No. URL shorteners obufuscate the destination of > a link and if the shortening service ever shuts down, all > the shortened URL become dead links to who knows what. I agree; the only acceptable exception I can think of is if the short URL is a permalink (and the longer URL is not) and the shortening service is the same as the service being linked to. But this is not common. For example, there are wikis which have two URLs for each page--one URL based on the page title (which changes with the page title thus rendering this URL impermanent) and a short URL which points to the same page regardless of changes to the page (a permanent link to this page). The wiki generates and maintains the table of short URLs; no third-party service is involved. Therefore if one of these short URLs becomes useless the page it pointed to was deleted, or the wiki is not available at that URL. Either way, what visitors tried to get to is unavailable to all. I don't find tracking visits to be a valid reason for using a short URL. I'm more likely to try and defeat such tracking by posting the ultimate destination URL in an attempt to get people to skip the redirectors and deny them the tracking traffic. So use the long URL, let the word wrap fail, and live with a line of text that doesn't wrap neatly. It's not a big deal. In hypertext it's simply not a problem at all and CSS can probably style long URLs to only show a portion of the URL in cases where one can only post a URL to make a link. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-23 4:58 ` J.B. Nicholson @ 2018-03-23 11:03 ` Danny Spitzberg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Danny Spitzberg @ 2018-03-23 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss WordPress has a nifty url shorter for pages or assets on the same site. It made a really big difference for lots of people in terms of accessibility, for example, in printing promotional postcards with xyz.site/jan20event/ On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:58 AM J.B. Nicholson <jbn@forestfield.org> wrote: > David Paul wrote: > > Better question: Should you use a URL shortener at all? > > > > Answer: No. URL shorteners obufuscate the destination of > > a link and if the shortening service ever shuts down, all > > the shortened URL become dead links to who knows what. > > I agree; the only acceptable exception I can think of is if the short URL > is a permalink (and the longer URL is not) and the shortening service is > the same as the service being linked to. But this is not common. > > For example, there are wikis which have two URLs for each page--one URL > based on the page title (which changes with the page title thus rendering > this URL impermanent) and a short URL which points to the same page > regardless of changes to the page (a permanent link to this page). The wiki > generates and maintains the table of short URLs; no third-party service is > involved. Therefore if one of these short URLs becomes useless the page it > pointed to was deleted, or the wiki is not available at that URL. Either > way, what visitors tried to get to is unavailable to all. > > I don't find tracking visits to be a valid reason for using a short URL. > I'm more likely to try and defeat such tracking by posting the ultimate > destination URL in an attempt to get people to skip the redirectors and > deny them the tracking traffic. > > So use the long URL, let the word wrap fail, and live with a line of text > that doesn't wrap neatly. It's not a big deal. In hypertext it's simply not > a problem at all and CSS can probably style long URLs to only show a > portion of the URL in cases where one can only post a URL to make a link. > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-23 2:00 ` David Paul 2018-03-23 4:58 ` J.B. Nicholson @ 2018-03-23 11:36 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2018-03-23 11:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss > Answer: No. URL shorteners obufuscate the destination of > a link and if the shortening service ever shuts down, all > the shortened URL become dead links to who knows what. Nice one! I agree. :D I do also agree with the idea that the URL shortener should be the same website of the provider of the original link. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's the best URL shortener? [not found] <mailman.3.1521561601.29766.libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> @ 2018-03-20 16:12 ` Tony Chidester 2018-03-20 17:25 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 2018-03-21 19:42 ` libreplanet 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Tony Chidester @ 2018-03-20 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:00:01 -0400, libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 02:12:48 -0400 > From: Don Saklad <dsaklad@gnu.org> > To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] What's the best URL shortener? > Message-ID: <5i1sgfw9zz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> > Content-Type: text/plain > > What's the best URL shortener? http://tx0.org Pros to using tx0.org from their privacy page: We do not monetize our access logs We do not sell advertising or mine data We do not do doing anything other than shorten URLs We are brought to you by SDF.ORG, established 1987 SDF has a long history of preserving a non-commercial space on the internet going on thirty years. Plus you don't have to buy a domain name or maintain a server somewhere just for a hyperlink. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 16:12 ` Tony Chidester @ 2018-03-20 17:25 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 2018-03-21 19:42 ` libreplanet 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2018-03-20 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss > internet going on thirty years. Plus you don't have to buy a domain Indeed yu are right, some domains or subdomains are gratis. For this trivial thing, a dynamic subdomain from freedns.afraid.org or any other, and a simple webserver which answers simply with HTTP Redirect code and "Location" HTTP header field should be enough. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-20 16:12 ` Tony Chidester 2018-03-20 17:25 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2018-03-21 19:42 ` libreplanet 2018-03-21 22:08 ` Don Saklad 2018-03-21 23:59 ` C.W. Epema 1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: libreplanet @ 2018-03-21 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:12:56AM -0500, Tony Chidester wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:00:01 -0400, libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org wrote: > http://tx0.org > > Pros to using tx0.org from their privacy page: > > We do not monetize our access logs > We do not sell advertising or mine data > We do not do doing anything other than shorten URLs > We are brought to you by SDF.ORG, established 1987 > > SDF has a long history of preserving a non-commercial space on the internet going on thirty years. Plus you don't have to buy a domain name or maintain a server somewhere just for a hyperlink. Similarly, the approach taken by ur1.ca was pretty good. It seems to have been available as recently as last month: https://web.archive.org/web/20180228144932/http://ur1.ca/ but my connection attempts to it are timing out now. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-21 19:42 ` libreplanet @ 2018-03-21 22:08 ` Don Saklad 2018-03-21 23:59 ` C.W. Epema 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Don Saklad @ 2018-03-21 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss, dsaklad Question How do you find the actual direct link?... specific to the Double page spread photo/caption Click on... double page format 4th icon from the top left at http://tx0.org/pg https://books.google.com/books?id=z00EAAAAMBAJ&dq=new+breed+1962&q=i+hate+a+lazy+approach _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best URL shortener? 2018-03-21 19:42 ` libreplanet 2018-03-21 22:08 ` Don Saklad @ 2018-03-21 23:59 ` C.W. Epema 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: C.W. Epema @ 2018-03-21 23:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss If you are interested in a real free and open-source shortlink project, you are very welcome to clone my repository from Github: git@github.com:kzpm/shortlink.git The program (SaaS) has been working quite well on my Nginx webserver for over three years now. The service is extremely convenient for organisations who like to track popularity of certain online services. Kind regards, Kees Epema On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:42:55 +0000 libreplanet@etrumeus.com wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:12:56AM -0500, Tony Chidester wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:00:01 -0400, libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org wrote: > > > http://tx0.org > > > > Pros to using tx0.org from their privacy page: > > > > We do not monetize our access logs > > We do not sell advertising or mine data > > We do not do doing anything other than shorten URLs > > We are brought to you by SDF.ORG, established 1987 > > > > SDF has a long history of preserving a non-commercial space on the internet going on thirty years. Plus you don't have to buy a domain name or maintain a server somewhere just for a hyperlink. > > Similarly, the approach taken by ur1.ca was pretty good. > > It seems to have been available as recently as last month: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20180228144932/http://ur1.ca/ > > but my connection attempts to it are timing out now. > > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss -- Groet, Kees Epema Rosa Spierweg 20 9408EV Assen T: 06 100 66 878 M: keesepema@linuxmail.org Protect your privacy and encrypt your messages. Add my key to your keyring: PGP key: http://osmigratie.nl/keesepema.asc _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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