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From: Marko Myllynen <myllynen@redhat.com>
To: Egor Kobylkin <egor@kobylkin.com>,
	Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak@lingonborough.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, libc-locales@sourceware.org,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>
Cc: Mike Fabian <mfabian@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872]
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 22:03:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e560eb2e-ec8c-212a-c38a-cd44847ba8df@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6d076299-babd-406a-b1fe-87778f54bf36@kobylkin.com>

Hi,

On 09/01/2019 02.46, Egor Kobylkin wrote:
> On 07.01.19 21:37, Marko Myllynen wrote:
>> On 05/01/2019 23.12, Egor Kobylkin wrote:
>>>
>>> Good catch! Should we maybe split this into two patches, one for C and
>>> the other for "country" locales? They have different codes and
>>> functionality so it looks like it would be easier to keep focus.
>>
>> That would probably make sense, the standard C/POSIX locale won't
>> support System A so it also narrows down solution alternatives with it.
>>
>>> "Country" locales in localedata/locales/ can then have the exact same
>>> translit table included or they can have any other flavor - I don't see
>>> a problem here.
>>
>> Indeed, and since those files are not limited to ASCII, perhaps we could
>> now reconsider the v9 approach for them, i.e., prefer System A if
>> possible, otherwise use System B / ASCII (just need to make sure that
>> the ASCII fall-back for them will match the built-in C ASCII rule)?
> 
> Happy to hear the split seems to be a clear cut one.
> How about I rename the "[PATCH v12]...[BZ #2872]" to "[PATCH v1]...
> C/POSIX [BZ #2872]" and the "[PATCH v9]" gets its own bug-report
> (number) and title for clarity in communication?

I'm not sure is a new BZ really needed for such an addition, perhaps a
NEWS entry might be more appropriate (with the full details explained in
the commit messages of course) but I'll leave this to others to decide.

> This way it would probably be easier to have the decision making process
> tied up for both patches (separately). We may want to get the v12 POSIX
> out of the door in 2.30 then and can take all the time we need to set up
> the rules for "Countries" locales as you need them to be.

Perhaps Rafal or Carlos have better suggestions but I would think we
could have a patch series where the patch 1/3 adds the C/POSIX locale
part (that would be what you posted as v12), then patch 2/3 adds
translit_cyrillic (based on your v9 so supports ISO 9.1995 / GOST 7.79
System A and GOST 7.79 System B as a fall-back (which would match the
C/POSIX rules)), and finally the patch 3/3 updates locales to use
translit_cyrillic as appropriate. But as said, Rafal or Carlos may have
alternative suggestions so it might be best to wait for their feedback
before doing anything yet (it's unfortunate you've had to do so many
iterations around this already but I think we've all learned something
during the process and the end result will be more correct than any of
the earlier versions).

Thanks,

-- 
Marko Myllynen

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-09 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <41532e13-a63d-5df1-ab37-05eb4d6c8d0a@kobylkin.com>
     [not found] ` <20180412224352.GB2911@altlinux.org>
2018-07-17 19:34   ` SUBJECT: [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:40     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-07-17 19:50       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:59         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-08-06 19:00   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] re-submission for 2.29 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  8:26     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  9:19       ` Keld Simonsen
2018-10-03  9:32         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05  8:43           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05  9:20           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-05 10:36             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 22:04               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 22:52                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 21:43                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:20                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-10-09 15:26                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-10-09 21:51                     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 16:10                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 16:22                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 16:49                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 22:08                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-10 11:21                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 10:10                   ` Marko Myllynen
     [not found]             ` <deacdf31-d0bb-a92d-1de3-934d6b4cb158@kobylkin.com>
2018-10-05 11:54               ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 12:00                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05 12:21                   ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 20:47                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 12:40                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-08 22:23                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:35                           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 13:18                             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 18:34                               ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:17                                 ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 22:40                                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:42                                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 11:22                                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 12:19                                         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 12:34                                           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 22:29   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v2 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11  9:59     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 11:04     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-11 13:10       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 13:50       ` Volodymyr Lisivka
2018-10-11 14:59       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:30         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:05       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:44   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v3 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:33   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v4 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-12 14:05   ` [PATCH v5] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-13  0:59     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-13 16:58       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-15 11:04         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-15 11:54           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-23 23:08         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-17 14:16   ` [PATCH v6] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-01 22:51   ` [PATCH v7] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02  0:00   ` [PATCH v8] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02 22:22     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-02 23:27       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-14 21:25   ` [PATCH v9] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-16 22:17     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-17 18:34       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19  7:13         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-11-19  9:21           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19 19:35             ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-01 22:07           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-01 22:53             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-03 22:19             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-08  1:15               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-10 21:20                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-19 22:25                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 22:48                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:50                       ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-19 11:10   ` [PATCH v10] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-07 23:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 21:51       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 22:41         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 23:02           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-20  0:05             ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 22:28   ` [PATCH v11] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:16     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-26 10:07       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-26 12:13         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-27  1:30           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-27 11:28             ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-02 18:38   ` [PATCH v12] " Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-05 14:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-05 21:12       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-07 20:37         ` Marko Myllynen
2019-01-09  0:46           ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-09 20:03             ` Marko Myllynen [this message]
2019-02-04  7:14               ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] ping for 2.30 Egor Kobylkin
2019-02-14 16:48                 ` Marko Myllynen
2019-03-04 22:11                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-11 13:59                     ` PING " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-14 19:48                       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-19 22:24                   ` Rafal Luzynski
     [not found]                     ` <5ELixS9SQ0DW4mlvswp96ASpLobBabU9KQ6zOTH-Udrb34mABhcqiPERpBZfPWZ9F77s8XNmiLIAq9UWu0AjLFFdjOz_FZVU5_xF-SiQkrw=@kobylkin.com>
2019-04-27  2:51                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-27  7:34                         ` Diego (Egor) Kobylkin
2019-04-09  1:04     ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] Carlos O'Donell
2019-03-19 10:39   ` ping " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-28 16:20     ` [PING^4][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-04 19:44     ` [PING^5][PATCH " Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-06  1:36       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-16  7:15     ` [PING^6][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-16 13:17       ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 17:06         ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 17:58           ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 18:41             ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 19:06               ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-05-10 12:19                 ` Marko Myllynen

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