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From: Marko Myllynen <myllynen@redhat.com>
To: Egor Kobylkin <egor@kobylkin.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, libc-locales@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872]
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:35:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <24db2c9f-0f07-c5b7-6c16-1b7993061147@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29627b4c-317d-5e80-f34b-920e0eadadee@kobylkin.com>

Hi,

On 19/11/2018 11.21, Egor Kobylkin wrote:
> On 19.11.18 08:13, Marko Myllynen wrote:
>> On 17/11/2018 20.34, Egor Kobylkin wrote:
> 
> Your example only covers _tansliteration_ to Latin Diacritics
> iconv -f UTF-8 -t ISO-8859-15//TRANSLIT \
> | iconv -f ISO-8859-15 -t UTF-8
> 
> while BZ #2872 is about _transcription_ to ASCII
> iconv -f UTF-8 -t ASCII//TRANSLIT

AFAICS v9 (unlike v10) supported both of the above cases.

> The glibc wiki explicitly lists this use case (ASCII) as the test
> example https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Locales#Testing_Locales

I wrote that section and I certainly wasn't considering Cyrillic aspects
at that time (IIRC it was written even before Mike did the major update
for transliteration rules at the end of 2015). The context back then was
mostly about handling Latin letters like Å, Ä, Ö, Ø, etc.

> So again, you are asking to have ISO 9.1995. System A but the bug is
> about ISO 9.1995. System B (GOST 7.79-2000)

We certainly can decide here what's the best course of action, we do not
have to slavishly follow some old bug report when deciding the direction
for the implementation. But I think I've made my position clear by now
so I'm not going to repeat it anymore.

In any case once your patch lands I'm going to submit a follow-up patch
for fi_FI to make it compliant with the applicable national standard
(SFS 4900) which defines how to do Cyrillic transliteration /
transcription in the context Finnish.

Thanks,

-- 
Marko Myllynen

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-19 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <41532e13-a63d-5df1-ab37-05eb4d6c8d0a@kobylkin.com>
     [not found] ` <20180412224352.GB2911@altlinux.org>
2018-07-17 19:34   ` SUBJECT: [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:40     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-07-17 19:50       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:59         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-08-06 19:00   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] re-submission for 2.29 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  8:26     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  9:19       ` Keld Simonsen
2018-10-03  9:32         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05  8:43           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05  9:20           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-05 10:36             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 22:04               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 22:52                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 21:43                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:20                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-10-09 15:26                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-10-09 21:51                     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 16:10                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 16:22                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 16:49                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 22:08                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-10 11:21                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 10:10                   ` Marko Myllynen
     [not found]             ` <deacdf31-d0bb-a92d-1de3-934d6b4cb158@kobylkin.com>
2018-10-05 11:54               ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 12:00                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05 12:21                   ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 20:47                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 12:40                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-08 22:23                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:35                           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 13:18                             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 18:34                               ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:17                                 ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 22:40                                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:42                                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 11:22                                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 12:19                                         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 12:34                                           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 22:29   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v2 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11  9:59     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 11:04     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-11 13:10       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 13:50       ` Volodymyr Lisivka
2018-10-11 14:59       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:30         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:05       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:44   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v3 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:33   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v4 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-12 14:05   ` [PATCH v5] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-13  0:59     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-13 16:58       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-15 11:04         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-15 11:54           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-23 23:08         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-17 14:16   ` [PATCH v6] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-01 22:51   ` [PATCH v7] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02  0:00   ` [PATCH v8] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02 22:22     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-02 23:27       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-14 21:25   ` [PATCH v9] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-16 22:17     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-17 18:34       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19  7:13         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-11-19  9:21           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19 19:35             ` Marko Myllynen [this message]
2018-12-01 22:07           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-01 22:53             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-03 22:19             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-08  1:15               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-10 21:20                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-19 22:25                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 22:48                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:50                       ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-19 11:10   ` [PATCH v10] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-07 23:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 21:51       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 22:41         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 23:02           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-20  0:05             ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 22:28   ` [PATCH v11] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:16     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-26 10:07       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-26 12:13         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-27  1:30           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-27 11:28             ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-02 18:38   ` [PATCH v12] " Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-05 14:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-05 21:12       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-07 20:37         ` Marko Myllynen
2019-01-09  0:46           ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-09 20:03             ` Marko Myllynen
2019-02-04  7:14               ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] ping for 2.30 Egor Kobylkin
2019-02-14 16:48                 ` Marko Myllynen
2019-03-04 22:11                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-11 13:59                     ` PING " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-14 19:48                       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-19 22:24                   ` Rafal Luzynski
     [not found]                     ` <5ELixS9SQ0DW4mlvswp96ASpLobBabU9KQ6zOTH-Udrb34mABhcqiPERpBZfPWZ9F77s8XNmiLIAq9UWu0AjLFFdjOz_FZVU5_xF-SiQkrw=@kobylkin.com>
2019-04-27  2:51                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-27  7:34                         ` Diego (Egor) Kobylkin
2019-04-09  1:04     ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] Carlos O'Donell
2019-03-19 10:39   ` ping " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-28 16:20     ` [PING^4][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-04 19:44     ` [PING^5][PATCH " Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-06  1:36       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-16  7:15     ` [PING^6][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-16 13:17       ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 17:06         ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 17:58           ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 18:41             ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 19:06               ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-05-10 12:19                 ` Marko Myllynen

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