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From: Marko Myllynen <myllynen@redhat.com>
To: Egor Kobylkin <egor@kobylkin.com>,
	Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak@lingonborough.com>
Cc: Keld Simonsen <keld@keldix.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, libc-locales@sourceware.org,
	"Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>,
	Volodymyr Lisivka <vlisivka@gmail.com>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>, Max Kutny <mkutny@gmail.com>,
	danilo@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] re-submission for 2.29
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:22:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9edcf6f2-607c-91ac-8eaf-ffbc973fe597@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c89f0ac3-6ccb-3e41-dc26-75ef03d9afa1@kobylkin.com>

Hi,

On 2018-10-10 01:42, Egor Kobylkin wrote:
> Ups, sorry, wrong link to the patch
> correct link https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=11303

Although I haven't checked every rule this in general looks very good
(but see below). Not sure do we want to add the few missing characters
mentioned at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script_in_Unicode,
e.g., one instantly notices that U+0400 is missing. (I wouldn't add at
least initially the more exotic characters, like the historic ones,
though.) Perhaps filing a bug or two for these cases for separate
consideration would be ok.

> On 10.10.2018 00:40, Egor Kobylkin wrote:
>> On 10.10.2018 00:17, Rafal Luzynski wrote:
>>> 9.10.2018 20:34 Egor Kobylkin <egor@kobylkin.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The culprits were the "" around the "<U0423><U0301>" (<U00DA>) and
>>>> "<U0443><U0301>" (<U00FA>).
>>>> It works now with
>>>> % CYRILLIC UNDEFINED
>>>> <U0423><U0301> <U00DA>;"<U0055><U0060>"
>>>> % CYRILLIC UNDEFINED
>>>> <U0443><U0301> <U00FA>;"<U0075><U0060>"
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I wonder why you need Cyrillic U with acute, and why you comment it
>>> as "undefined" at all.  I know that any Cyrillic vowel may appear with
>>> an acute accent but "the diacritic is used only in dictionaries, children's
>>> books, resources for foreign-language learners (...)". [1]  So maybe
>>> all vowels with an acute accent should be handled (which I think is fine)
>>> rather than just U.
>>
>> I have just taken the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9 table and
>> implemented it on Marko's suggestion. Personally I have no opinion on
>> what letters should be included and under what name. These funny Us just
>> happened to be in the ISO9 table.
>>
>> There is no codepoint and no name for <U0423><U0301> and <U0443><U0301>
>> in Unicode. That’s why its coming through that way from my worksheet as
>> it does a reverse lookup on the names based on the Unicode codepoints.
>>
>> Manually we can change it to whatever you’d suggest in the
>> translit_cyrillic. I just don’t know the right name.

I'm not sure this will work, no existing rule in translit_* files
contain two characters, I'd assume that the rule for U+0423 is applied
first and then the below rule is never used.

% CYRILLIC UNDEFINED
<U0423><U0301> <U00DA>;"<U0055><U0060>"

Perhaps this should be commented out or removed altogether if it's not
working as intended.

Thanks,

-- 
Marko Myllynen

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-10 11:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <41532e13-a63d-5df1-ab37-05eb4d6c8d0a@kobylkin.com>
     [not found] ` <20180412224352.GB2911@altlinux.org>
2018-07-17 19:34   ` SUBJECT: [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:40     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-07-17 19:50       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-07-17 19:59         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-08-06 19:00   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] re-submission for 2.29 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  8:26     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-03  9:19       ` Keld Simonsen
2018-10-03  9:32         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05  8:43           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05  9:20           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-05 10:36             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 22:04               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 22:52                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 21:43                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:20                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-10-09 15:26                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-10-09 21:51                     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 16:10                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 16:22                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 16:49                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-09 22:08                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-10 11:21                     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 10:10                   ` Marko Myllynen
     [not found]             ` <deacdf31-d0bb-a92d-1de3-934d6b4cb158@kobylkin.com>
2018-10-05 11:54               ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 12:00                 ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-05 12:21                   ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-05 20:47                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-08 12:40                       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-08 22:23                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-08 23:35                           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 13:18                             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 18:34                               ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:17                                 ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-09 22:40                                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-09 22:42                                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 11:22                                       ` Marko Myllynen [this message]
2018-10-10 12:19                                         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-10 12:34                                           ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-10 22:29   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v2 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11  9:59     ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 11:04     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-11 13:10       ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-11 13:50       ` Volodymyr Lisivka
2018-10-11 14:59       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:30         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:05       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 15:44   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v3 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-11 21:33   ` [PATCH] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] v4 Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-12 14:05   ` [PATCH v5] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration table [BZ #2872] Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-13  0:59     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-13 16:58       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-15 11:04         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-10-15 11:54           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-10-23 23:08         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-10-17 14:16   ` [PATCH v6] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-01 22:51   ` [PATCH v7] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02  0:00   ` [PATCH v8] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-02 22:22     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-02 23:27       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-14 21:25   ` [PATCH v9] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-16 22:17     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-17 18:34       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19  7:13         ` Marko Myllynen
2018-11-19  9:21           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-11-19 19:35             ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-01 22:07           ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-01 22:53             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-03 22:19             ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-08  1:15               ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-10 21:20                 ` Marko Myllynen
2018-12-19 22:25                   ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 22:48                     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:50                       ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-11-19 11:10   ` [PATCH v10] " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-07 23:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 21:51       ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 22:41         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-19 23:02           ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-20  0:05             ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-12-08 22:28   ` [PATCH v11] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration " Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-19 23:16     ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-26 10:07       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-26 12:13         ` Egor Kobylkin
2018-12-27  1:30           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-12-27 11:28             ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-02 18:38   ` [PATCH v12] " Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-05 14:35     ` Rafal Luzynski
2019-01-05 21:12       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-07 20:37         ` Marko Myllynen
2019-01-09  0:46           ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-01-09 20:03             ` Marko Myllynen
2019-02-04  7:14               ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] ping for 2.30 Egor Kobylkin
2019-02-14 16:48                 ` Marko Myllynen
2019-03-04 22:11                   ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-11 13:59                     ` PING " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-14 19:48                       ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-19 22:24                   ` Rafal Luzynski
     [not found]                     ` <5ELixS9SQ0DW4mlvswp96ASpLobBabU9KQ6zOTH-Udrb34mABhcqiPERpBZfPWZ9F77s8XNmiLIAq9UWu0AjLFFdjOz_FZVU5_xF-SiQkrw=@kobylkin.com>
2019-04-27  2:51                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-27  7:34                         ` Diego (Egor) Kobylkin
2019-04-09  1:04     ` [PATCH v12] Locales: Cyrillic -> ASCII transliteration [BZ #2872] Carlos O'Donell
2019-03-19 10:39   ` ping " Egor Kobylkin
2019-03-28 16:20     ` [PING^4][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-04 19:44     ` [PING^5][PATCH " Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-06  1:36       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2019-04-16  7:15     ` [PING^6][PATCH " Marko Myllynen
2019-04-16 13:17       ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 17:06         ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 17:58           ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-04-16 18:41             ` Egor Kobylkin
2019-04-16 19:06               ` Carlos O'Donell
2019-05-10 12:19                 ` Marko Myllynen

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