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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] Start retiring .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ for good
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 09:37:54 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq7f1h63h9.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: alpine.DEB.2.21.1.1705121216290.146734@virtualbox

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:

> On Fri, 12 May 2017, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>> Is it really hurting us having to support these old information
>> sources we treat as read-only?
>
> Well, you frequently complain about my patches, claiming that they place
> unnecessary maintenance burden on you.
>
> I would say that the .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ code is a lot more
> maintenance burden than most of my patches.

I wasn't going to respond to this thread anymore, because I didn't
feel like the discussion was going anywhere, and you already said
you won't listen to me.

You seem to be confused between "maintenance burden" and "burden on
the maintainer". I felt that it needs to be corrected for other
people reading this exchange from the sideline.

    When we worked to add feature X in the remotes subsystem, we
    were slowed down because we had to adjust the code also for
    .git/branches.  The same story for feature Y.  The same for
    feature Z.  This is getting ridiculous/cumbersome, especially
    given that we know .git/branches is not used by anybody.

That's a maintenance burden, and the "we" refers to the Git
development community as a whole, not the maintainer.  It is not a
burden on _me_.

Also important to notice is I do not know what X, Y and Z are with
respect to .git/branches feature.  That is where "Is it really
hurting?" question comes from, but it hasn't been answered so far.

What's burden on the maintainer is having to engage in a discussion
like this one, to reject an attempt to remove something that is not
demonstratably a maintenance burden, because the maintainer has to
act as the last-resort champion for the end-users, when others on
the list do not speak up X-<.

Yes, I know that proving that something we currently support is not
used by anybody is HARD [*1*].  That is why removal is costly.  And
that in turn is why we need to be careful when adding new things and
making changes in general.


[Footnotes]

*1* Removal of "rsync" transport we did recently was a happy but
    rare case.  It has been broken for a few years without anybody
    complaining.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-16  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-11 13:47 [PATCH 00/11] Start retiring .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ for good Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 01/11] git-parse-remote: fix highly misleading man page Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 17:21   ` Stefan Beller
2017-05-11 19:14     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 0/5] Remove now-unused git-parse-remote Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 17:37       ` Jeff King
2020-11-11 19:29         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 14:09         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-12 18:42           ` Jeff King
2020-11-12 14:19       ` How do I "git fetch" with a custom <refspec> but a default remote? Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-12 18:51         ` Jeff King
2020-11-12 19:26           ` Chris Torek
2020-11-12 20:48             ` Jeff King
2020-11-12 21:22               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-14 12:12         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 1/5] parse-remote: remove unused GIT_DIR variable Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 2/5] parse-remote: remove long-dead rebase code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 3/5] parse-remote: remove long-dead git-pull.sh code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 4/5] parse-remote: move used code to git-submodule.sh Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 5/5] parse-remote: remove this now-unused library Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 16:33       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:31         ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Retire git-parse-remote Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:31           ` [PATCH v2 1/2] parse-remote: move used code to git-submodule.sh Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:31           ` [PATCH v2 2/2] parse-remote: remove this now-unused library Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:49           ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Retire git-parse-remote Jeff King
2020-11-12 21:25             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-13  9:42           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 0/3] submodule sh->C & retire parse-remote Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 1/3] submodule: use "fetch" logic instead of custom remote discovery Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-16 21:13             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 2/3] submodule: remove sh function in favor of helper Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 3/3] parse-remote: remove this now-unused library Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-16 21:19             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 14:24               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 02/11] Documentation: really deprecate .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 03/11] remote: warn loud and clear when .git/branches/ is *still* used Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 04/11] remote: warn loud and clear when .git/remotes/ " Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 05/11] Revert "Revert "Don't create the $GIT_DIR/branches directory on init"" Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 17:26   ` Stefan Beller
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 06/11] PREVIEW: t5510: convert .git/remotes/ test to use a regular remote Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 07/11] PREVIEW: t5516: stop testing .git/branches/ functionality Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 08/11] PREVIEW: remote: remove support for migrating ancient remotes Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:48 ` [PATCH 09/11] PREVIEW: t5515: remove .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ tests Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:48 ` [PATCH 10/11] PREVIEW: t0060: stop testing support for .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:48 ` [PATCH 11/11] PREVIEW: remove " Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 18:19   ` Stefan Beller
2017-05-11 19:19     ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-12  1:14 ` [PATCH 00/11] Start retiring .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ for good Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 10:18   ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-16  0:37     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2017-05-16  8:05       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-05-16  9:06         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-16 10:02           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-05-17  0:51             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 12:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 14:19     ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-12 17:38       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-05-13 10:13         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 21:11       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-15  8:42         ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-12  9:11 ` Jeff King
2017-05-12 11:09   ` Johannes Schindelin

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