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From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/11] Start retiring .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ for good
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:19:55 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1.1705121617420.146734@virtualbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqfuga5lp2.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>

Hi Junio,

On Fri, 12 May 2017, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
> 
> > Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de> writes:
> >
> >> Git uses the config for remote/upstream information in favor of the
> >> previously-used .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ for a decade now.
> >
> > The last time I thought about trying this several years ago, I found
> > that people who need to grab things from many places still do use
> > .git/branches/ and their use case is hard to migrate to .git/config,
> > primarily because the former is "one per file" and it is easy to
> > add/remove/tweak without affecting others.  Ask akpm@ if he still
> > prefers to use .git/branches/ for example.
> 
> FWIW, I do not think there is any reason for people to be using
> .git/remotes/, but for .git/branches/, I do not think I can offer a
> more efficient and easier to use alternative based on .git/config to
> do these things:
> 
>  $ grep <substring> .git/branches/* ;# what did I call that remote?
>  $ cat .git/branches/$name ;# where do I get that from?
>  $ echo "$URL#$branch" >.git/branches/$name ;# I just learned a new src
>  $ rm .git/branch/$name ;# I no longer need it
> 
> without having to learn things experienced CLI/UNIX person already
> knows.

I do not understand what you want to tell me with that example. It is
confusing me utterly.

> We simply cannot beat the above with anything like 
> 
>     $ git config remote.$name.fetch refs/heads/$branch
> 
> even though the config based remote definition may be infinitely
> more powerful.

Then maybe we need to teach, say, `git remote` to be that powerful?

> > Is it really hurting us having to support these old information
> > sources we treat as read-only?
> 
> And this one is also important.  I do not think we had to touch any
> code that handles .git/remotes/ or .git/branches when we extended
> the .git/config based configuration for remotes, simply because the
> old data source are pretty much frozen read-only places these days.

Okay. But by the same reasoning, I want to hear nothing from you anymore
about the sort of maintenance burden you talked about in the ssh_variant
patches. That burden was ridiculously small compared to what you tell me
you want to keep (and for a single user that may have moved on). Not one
word.

Ciao,
Dscho

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-12 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-11 13:47 Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 01/11] git-parse-remote: fix highly misleading man page Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 17:21   ` Stefan Beller
2017-05-11 19:14     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 0/5] Remove now-unused git-parse-remote Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 17:37       ` Jeff King
2020-11-11 19:29         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 14:09         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-12 18:42           ` Jeff King
2020-11-12 14:19       ` How do I "git fetch" with a custom <refspec> but a default remote? Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-12 18:51         ` Jeff King
2020-11-12 19:26           ` Chris Torek
2020-11-12 20:48             ` Jeff King
2020-11-12 21:22               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-14 12:12         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 1/5] parse-remote: remove unused GIT_DIR variable Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 2/5] parse-remote: remove long-dead rebase code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 3/5] parse-remote: remove long-dead git-pull.sh code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 4/5] parse-remote: move used code to git-submodule.sh Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 15:17     ` [PATCH 5/5] parse-remote: remove this now-unused library Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-11 16:33       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:31         ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Retire git-parse-remote Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:31           ` [PATCH v2 1/2] parse-remote: move used code to git-submodule.sh Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:31           ` [PATCH v2 2/2] parse-remote: remove this now-unused library Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 20:49           ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Retire git-parse-remote Jeff King
2020-11-12 21:25             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-13  9:42           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 0/3] submodule sh->C & retire parse-remote Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 1/3] submodule: use "fetch" logic instead of custom remote discovery Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-16 21:13             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 2/3] submodule: remove sh function in favor of helper Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-14 12:21           ` [PATCH v3 3/3] parse-remote: remove this now-unused library Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-16 21:19             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 14:24               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 02/11] Documentation: really deprecate .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 03/11] remote: warn loud and clear when .git/branches/ is *still* used Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 04/11] remote: warn loud and clear when .git/remotes/ " Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 05/11] Revert "Revert "Don't create the $GIT_DIR/branches directory on init"" Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 17:26   ` Stefan Beller
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 06/11] PREVIEW: t5510: convert .git/remotes/ test to use a regular remote Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 07/11] PREVIEW: t5516: stop testing .git/branches/ functionality Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:47 ` [PATCH 08/11] PREVIEW: remote: remove support for migrating ancient remotes Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:48 ` [PATCH 09/11] PREVIEW: t5515: remove .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ tests Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:48 ` [PATCH 10/11] PREVIEW: t0060: stop testing support for .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 13:48 ` [PATCH 11/11] PREVIEW: remove " Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-11 18:19   ` Stefan Beller
2017-05-11 19:19     ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-12  1:14 ` [PATCH 00/11] Start retiring .git/remotes/ and .git/branches/ for good Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 10:18   ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-16  0:37     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-16  8:05       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-05-16  9:06         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-16 10:02           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-05-17  0:51             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 12:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 14:19     ` Johannes Schindelin [this message]
2017-05-12 17:38       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-05-13 10:13         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-12 21:11       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-05-15  8:42         ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-05-12  9:11 ` Jeff King
2017-05-12 11:09   ` Johannes Schindelin

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