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From: Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, jrnieder@gmail.com,
	Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@google.com>,
	Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/30] [RFC] extensions.refFormat and packed-refs v2 file format
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 10:31:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c104b0e6-1287-b4ab-dd4a-b4b6eef9996c@github.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqiljbkfg9.fsf@gitster.g>

On 11/18/2022 6:31 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> I have been and am still offline and haven't examined this proposal
> in detail, but would it be a better longer-term approach to improve
> reftable backend, instead of piling more effort on loose+packed
> filesystem based backend?

If reftable was complete and stable, then I would have carefully examined
it to check that it solves the problems at hand. I interpreted the lack of
progress in the area to be due to significant work required or hard
problems blocking its completion. That appears to be a wrong assumption,
so we are exploring what that will take to get it complete.

I am still wary of it requiring a clean slate and not having any way to
upgrade from an existing repository to one with reftable. I'm going to
reevaluate this to see how expensive it would be to upgrade to reftable
and how we can deploy that change safely.

These upgrade concerns may require us to eventually consider a world where
we can upgrade a repository by replacing the packed-refs file with a
reftable file, then later removing the ability to read or write loose
refs. To do so might benefit from the multi-valued extensions.refFormat
that is proposed in this RFC, even if packed-v2 does not become a
recognized value.

My personal opinion is that if reftable was not already implemented in
JGit and was not already partially contributed to Git, then we would not
choose that format or that "all or nothing" upgrade path. Instead,
incremental improvements on the existing ref formats are easier to
understand and test in parts.

But my opinion is not the most important one. I'll defer to the
community in this. I thought it worthwhile to present an alternative.

Thanks,
-Stolee


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-30 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-07 18:35 [PATCH 00/30] [RFC] extensions.refFormat and packed-refs v2 file format Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 01/30] hashfile: allow skipping the hash function Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 02/30] read-cache: add index.computeHash config option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-11 23:31   ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-14 16:30     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-17 16:13   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 03/30] extensions: add refFormat extension Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-11 23:39   ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-16 14:37     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 04/30] config: fix multi-level bulleted list Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 05/30] repository: wire ref extensions to ref backends Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 06/30] refs: allow loose files without packed-refs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 07/30] chunk-format: number of chunks is optional Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 08/30] chunk-format: document trailing table of contents Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 09/30] chunk-format: store chunk offset during write Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 10/30] chunk-format: allow trailing table of contents Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 11/30] chunk-format: parse " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 12/30] refs: extract packfile format to new file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 13/30] packed-backend: extract add_write_error() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 14/30] packed-backend: extract iterator/updates merge Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 15/30] packed-backend: create abstraction for writing refs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 16/30] config: add config values for packed-refs v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 17/30] packed-backend: create shell of v2 writes Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 18/30] packed-refs: write file format version 2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 19/30] packed-refs: read file format v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 20/30] packed-refs: read optional prefix chunks Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 21/30] packed-refs: write " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 22/30] packed-backend: create GIT_TEST_PACKED_REFS_VERSION Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 23/30] t1409: test with packed-refs v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 24/30] t5312: allow packed-refs v2 format Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 25/30] t5502: add PACKED_REFS_V1 prerequisite Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 26/30] t3210: require packed-refs v1 for some tests Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 27/30] t*: skip packed-refs v2 over http tests Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 28/30] ci: run GIT_TEST_PACKED_REFS_VERSION=2 in some builds Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 29/30] p1401: create performance test for ref operations Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 30/30] refs: skip hashing when writing packed-refs v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-09 15:15 ` [PATCH 00/30] [RFC] extensions.refFormat and packed-refs v2 file format Derrick Stolee
2022-11-11 23:28 ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-14  0:07   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-15  2:47     ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-16 14:45       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-17  4:28         ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-18 23:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-11-19  0:41       ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-19  3:00         ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-30 15:31       ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2022-11-28 18:56 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2022-11-30 15:16   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-30 15:38     ` Phillip Wood
2022-11-30 16:37     ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-30 18:30     ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2022-11-30 18:37       ` Sean Allred
2022-12-01 20:18       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-12-02 16:46         ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2022-12-02 18:24           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-30 22:55     ` Junio C Hamano

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