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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>
Cc: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, jrnieder@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/30] [RFC] extensions.refFormat and packed-refs v2 file format
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 15:31:18 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqiljbkfg9.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0e156172-0670-2832-78cb-c7dfe2599192@github.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:07:21 -0500")

Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com> writes:

> On 11/11/22 6:28 PM, Elijah Newren wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 11:01 AM Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
>> <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Introduction
>>> ============
>>>
>>> I became interested in our packed-ref format based on the asymmetry between
>>> ref updates and ref deletions: if we delete a packed ref, then the
>>> packed-refs file needs to be rewritten. Compared to writing a loose ref,
>>> this is an O(N) cost instead of O(1).
>>>
>>> In this way, I set out with some goals:
>>>
>>>  * (Primary) Make packed ref deletions be nearly as fast as loose ref
>>>    updates.
>> 
>> Performance is always nice.  :-)
>> 
>>>  * (Secondary) Allow using a packed ref format for all refs, dropping loose
>>>    refs and creating a clear way to snapshot all refs at a given point in
>>>    time.
>> 
>> Is this secondary goal the actual goal you have, or just the
>> implementation by which you get the real underlying goal?
>
> To me, the primary goal takes precedence. It turns out that the best
> way to solve for that goal happens to also make it possible to store
> all refs in a packed form, because we can update the packed form
> much faster than our current setup. There are alternatives that I
> considered (and prototyped) that were more specific to the deletions
> case, but they were not actually as fast as the stacked method. Those
> alternatives also would never help reach the secondary goal, but I
> probably would have considered them anyway if they were faster, if
> only for their simplicity.

I have been and am still offline and haven't examined this proposal
in detail, but would it be a better longer-term approach to improve
reftable backend, instead of piling more effort on loose+packed
filesystem based backend?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-19  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-07 18:35 [PATCH 00/30] [RFC] extensions.refFormat and packed-refs v2 file format Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 01/30] hashfile: allow skipping the hash function Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 02/30] read-cache: add index.computeHash config option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-11 23:31   ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-14 16:30     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-17 16:13   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 03/30] extensions: add refFormat extension Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-11 23:39   ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-16 14:37     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 04/30] config: fix multi-level bulleted list Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 05/30] repository: wire ref extensions to ref backends Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 06/30] refs: allow loose files without packed-refs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 07/30] chunk-format: number of chunks is optional Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 08/30] chunk-format: document trailing table of contents Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 09/30] chunk-format: store chunk offset during write Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 10/30] chunk-format: allow trailing table of contents Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 11/30] chunk-format: parse " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 12/30] refs: extract packfile format to new file Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 13/30] packed-backend: extract add_write_error() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 14/30] packed-backend: extract iterator/updates merge Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 15/30] packed-backend: create abstraction for writing refs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 16/30] config: add config values for packed-refs v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 17/30] packed-backend: create shell of v2 writes Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 18/30] packed-refs: write file format version 2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 19/30] packed-refs: read file format v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 20/30] packed-refs: read optional prefix chunks Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 21/30] packed-refs: write " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 22/30] packed-backend: create GIT_TEST_PACKED_REFS_VERSION Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 23/30] t1409: test with packed-refs v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 24/30] t5312: allow packed-refs v2 format Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 25/30] t5502: add PACKED_REFS_V1 prerequisite Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 26/30] t3210: require packed-refs v1 for some tests Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 27/30] t*: skip packed-refs v2 over http tests Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 28/30] ci: run GIT_TEST_PACKED_REFS_VERSION=2 in some builds Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 29/30] p1401: create performance test for ref operations Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 18:36 ` [PATCH 30/30] refs: skip hashing when writing packed-refs v2 Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2022-11-09 15:15 ` [PATCH 00/30] [RFC] extensions.refFormat and packed-refs v2 file format Derrick Stolee
2022-11-11 23:28 ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-14  0:07   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-15  2:47     ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-16 14:45       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-17  4:28         ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-18 23:31     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2022-11-19  0:41       ` Elijah Newren
2022-11-19  3:00         ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-30 15:31       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-28 18:56 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2022-11-30 15:16   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-30 15:38     ` Phillip Wood
2022-11-30 16:37     ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-30 18:30     ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2022-11-30 18:37       ` Sean Allred
2022-12-01 20:18       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-12-02 16:46         ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2022-12-02 18:24           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-30 22:55     ` Junio C Hamano

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