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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Tom Prince <tom.prince@ualberta.net>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Jan Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz>,
	Paolo Ciarrocchi <paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: remote#branch
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710301037120.30120@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071030160232.GB2640@hermes.priv>



On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Tom Prince wrote:
> >
> >  - <remote shorthand> ("origin")
> >  - <path> ("../git.git")
> >  - <host>:<path> ("master.kernel.org:/pub/scm/...")
> >  - <protocol>://<host>/<path> ("git://repo.or.cz/...")
> >
> > See? We may not follow RFC's, but we follow "easy to use".
>
> Well, only the last one actually looks like a URL, so that is the only this
> discussion is about.

NO.

The thing is, we'd be much better off being consistent with OURSELVES than
with something else!

Nobody cares about git being consistent with a web browser. There is
nothing in common.

But I *do* care about git being consistent with itself. If I do

	git clone /some/directory

and then decide that I want to generate a new pack and change it into

	git clone file:///some/directory

I don't want to have to re-write the thing to quote differently!

The same very much goes for a path like

	git://git.kernel.org/<path>

vs

	master.kernel.org:<path>

because I will use the two interchangably. They *are* the same address,
except:

 - the "git://" protocol is a bit faster, since the ssh connection
   overhead is actually big enough to be quite noticeable.

 - but I often use the master.kernel.org:<path> thing because there's a
   mirroring delay that means that accessing it directly is sometimes
   preferable.

See? THAT is where we need to be consistent: with our own paths!

[ And yes, I literally really do switch things around exactly like that 
  between ssh accesses and the git:// protocol. That was not a made-up 
  example, but real usage! ]

In contrast, nobody has _ever_ given a real technical reason to care about
the Web URL RFC at all.

Really. It's that simple: if you cannot argue for something without
pointing to an irrelevant standard, you really shouldn't argue for it in
the first place.

People who make decisions based on "it's a standard" make *sub*standard
decisions. The fact is, most standards are not worth even using as toilet
paper, because they were designed by some committee that wanted to reach
"consensus". That's just crap.

                        Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-30 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-15 21:38 [PATCH] Git homepage: remove all the references to Cogito Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-10-16  2:19 ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-16  7:50   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-10-16  8:01     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-10-16  9:04     ` [PATCH] gitweb: Speed up get_projects_list for large source trees Luke Lu
2007-10-16 16:55       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16 23:20       ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-16 10:49   ` cogito and remote#branch, was Re: [PATCH] Git homepage: remove all the references to Cogito Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 21:09     ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-16 21:35       ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-27 20:47         ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-27 23:01           ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-29 17:40             ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-29 18:17               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-29 21:49                 ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-10-29 22:57                   ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-29 23:49                     ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-30  3:01                     ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-10-30  3:40                       ` remote#branch Junio C Hamano
2007-10-30  4:40                         ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-10-30  4:51                           ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30  5:37                             ` remote#branch Tom Prince
2007-10-30 14:59                               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 16:02                                 ` remote#branch Tom Prince
2007-10-30 17:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-10-30 17:49                                     ` remote#branch Matthieu Moy
2007-10-30 17:58                                       ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 18:19                                         ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 19:18                                         ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-30 19:38                                           ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 20:15                                             ` remote#branch Randal L. Schwartz
2007-10-30 20:30                                               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 20:36                                               ` remote#branch Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-30 23:58                                             ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  0:12                                               ` remote#branch Jakub Narebski
2007-10-31  1:38                                                 ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  1:49                                                   ` remote#branch Jakub Narebski
2007-10-31  1:57                                                     ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  7:09                                                       ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31  8:35                                                         ` remote#branch Mike Hommey
2007-10-31  9:03                                                           ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31  9:15                                                             ` remote#branch Mike Hommey
2007-11-01  0:22                                                               ` remote#branch Jakub Narebski
2007-11-01  5:11                                                                 ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-11-01  7:29                                                               ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31  9:33                                                       ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-31  6:42                                                 ` remote#branch David Kastrup
2007-10-31 15:28                                                   ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 20:47                                                     ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31 21:01                                                       ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 21:26                                                         ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31 21:28                                                         ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 21:07                                                       ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31 21:31                                                         ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  6:39                                               ` remote#branch David Kastrup
2007-10-31  8:16                                                 ` remote#branch Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-31  8:25                                                 ` remote#branch Robin Rosenberg
2007-10-31  9:34                                                 ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-31 17:13                                               ` remote#branch Petr Baudis
2007-10-30 19:15                                     ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-30 19:36                                 ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-30 19:53                                   ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 19:29                                   ` remote#branch Erik Warendorph
2007-10-30 10:02                             ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-31  0:41                             ` remote#branch Martin Langhoff
2007-10-31  0:59                               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31  1:43                               ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  1:49                                 ` remote#branch Martin Langhoff
2007-10-31  1:59                                   ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  3:08                                 ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-30  4:50                       ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-29 18:32               ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 22:16     ` cogito and remote#branch, was Re: [PATCH] Git homepage: remove all the references to Cogito Jonas Fonseca
2007-10-31 17:09       ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-31 21:17         ` Jonas Fonseca

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