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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>, Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: remote#branch
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:26:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071031212655.GB13823@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710311350100.3342@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 02:01:54PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> > Yes, this means that if you have a bizarre repo name, you can't
> > necessarily switch between host:file syntax and git:// syntax by simple
> > cut and paste. But you really can't _anyway_, since there is no
> > guarantee that they are rooted at the same location, or have the same
> > view of the filesystem.
> 
> .. but in practice it works fine, especially for something like kernel.org 
> where it really *is* the same filesystem, just mirrored out.

Yes, and in practice, it works with or without URL encoding, since
people aren't using names that need encoded.

> Also, more importantly, I think the quoting is *stupid*. It adds pointless 
> code for absolutely zero gain. Are you going to unquote '/'? Or how about 
> '~'?

I don't think it's zero gain; I think it's exactly what users who use
repos with characters that need quoting will expect to happen. That
being said, _I_ don't personally care that much since I think spaces in
filenames are the work of the devil, and I will never use them. And as a
result, I'm not going to implement the code to do it.

But I do think your argument that there is no value in the URL syntax is
just wrong.

I don't understand your mention of '~' and '/'; they don't need quoted
in URLs, and generally are not (though of course they can be).

> .. because it's a simple format, and it *works*. The same way INI config 
> files are simple and *work*.

But if you wrote a bunch of documentation referring to the git config
file as an INI file, would you expect people to complain when it
_didn't_ follow the usual expectation for INI files?


OK, this discussion is just getting nowhere, and there is useful git
work I could be doing, so let me sum up my position:

  - We should either resolve that some repo specifiers are URLs, or we
    should resolve that they are not. I think they are.
  - If they are URLs, then we should treat them like URLs, and not
    handling quoting is probably a bug. I refuse to accept that it is an
    _important_ bug until somebody actually has a repo that needs
    quoting, finds that git is substandard, and provides a patch.
  - If they are not URLs, then we should probably stop calling them that
    in the documentation.

And with that, I shall say no more on the subject. In the spirit of not
saying "oh, I don't want to talk about it anymore, you don't get to say
anything else," I invite you to respond to any of my comments above.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-31 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-15 21:38 [PATCH] Git homepage: remove all the references to Cogito Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-10-16  2:19 ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-16  7:50   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-10-16  8:01     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2007-10-16  9:04     ` [PATCH] gitweb: Speed up get_projects_list for large source trees Luke Lu
2007-10-16 16:55       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16 23:20       ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-16 10:49   ` cogito and remote#branch, was Re: [PATCH] Git homepage: remove all the references to Cogito Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 21:09     ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-16 21:35       ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-27 20:47         ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-27 23:01           ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-29 17:40             ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-29 18:17               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-29 21:49                 ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-10-29 22:57                   ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-29 23:49                     ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-30  3:01                     ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-10-30  3:40                       ` remote#branch Junio C Hamano
2007-10-30  4:40                         ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-10-30  4:51                           ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30  5:37                             ` remote#branch Tom Prince
2007-10-30 14:59                               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 16:02                                 ` remote#branch Tom Prince
2007-10-30 17:39                                   ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 17:49                                     ` remote#branch Matthieu Moy
2007-10-30 17:58                                       ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 18:19                                         ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 19:18                                         ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-30 19:38                                           ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 20:15                                             ` remote#branch Randal L. Schwartz
2007-10-30 20:30                                               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-30 20:36                                               ` remote#branch Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-30 23:58                                             ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  0:12                                               ` remote#branch Jakub Narebski
2007-10-31  1:38                                                 ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  1:49                                                   ` remote#branch Jakub Narebski
2007-10-31  1:57                                                     ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  7:09                                                       ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31  8:35                                                         ` remote#branch Mike Hommey
2007-10-31  9:03                                                           ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31  9:15                                                             ` remote#branch Mike Hommey
2007-11-01  0:22                                                               ` remote#branch Jakub Narebski
2007-11-01  5:11                                                                 ` remote#branch Theodore Tso
2007-11-01  7:29                                                               ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31  9:33                                                       ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-31  6:42                                                 ` remote#branch David Kastrup
2007-10-31 15:28                                                   ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 20:47                                                     ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31 21:01                                                       ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 21:26                                                         ` Jeff King [this message]
2007-10-31 21:28                                                         ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 21:07                                                       ` remote#branch Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-31 21:31                                                         ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  6:39                                               ` remote#branch David Kastrup
2007-10-31  8:16                                                 ` remote#branch Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-31  8:25                                                 ` remote#branch Robin Rosenberg
2007-10-31  9:34                                                 ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-31 17:13                                               ` remote#branch Petr Baudis
2007-10-30 19:15                                     ` remote#branch Pascal Obry
2007-10-30 19:36                                 ` remote#branch Jan Hudec
2007-10-30 19:53                                   ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31 19:29                                   ` remote#branch Erik Warendorph
2007-10-30 10:02                             ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-31  0:41                             ` remote#branch Martin Langhoff
2007-10-31  0:59                               ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-31  1:43                               ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  1:49                                 ` remote#branch Martin Langhoff
2007-10-31  1:59                                   ` remote#branch Jeff King
2007-10-31  3:08                                 ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-30  4:50                       ` remote#branch Linus Torvalds
2007-10-29 18:32               ` remote#branch Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 22:16     ` cogito and remote#branch, was Re: [PATCH] Git homepage: remove all the references to Cogito Jonas Fonseca
2007-10-31 17:09       ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-31 21:17         ` Jonas Fonseca

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