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From: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	nico@cam.org, nix@esperi.org.uk, koreth@midwinter.com,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What's so special about objects/17/ ?
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:17:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGZ79kZq3xtsbscrRFD8CSn++yrvdM6Ux+nkQ3AamgabXtPL+w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqlg79tta8.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com>

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 1:07 PM Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

> > ...
> > by general public and I do not have to explain the choice to the
> > general public ;-)
>
> One thing that is more important than "why not 00 but 17?" to answer
> is why a hardcoded number rather than a runtime random.  It is for
> repeatability.

Let's talk about repeatability vs statistics for a second. ;-)

If I am a user and I were really into optimizing my loose object count
for some reason, so I would want to choose a low number of
gc.auto. Let's say I go with 128.

At the low end of loose objects the approximation is yielding
some high relative errors. This is because of the granularity, i.e.
gc would implicitly estimate the loose objects to be 0 or 256 or 512, (or more)
if there is 0, 1, 2 (or more) loose objects in the objects/17.

As each object can be viewed following an unfair coin flip
(With a chance of 1/256 it is in objects/17), the distribution in
objects/17 (and hence any other objects/XX bin) follows the
Bernoulli distribution.

If I do have say about 157 loose objects (and having auto.gc
configured anywhere in 1..255), then the probability to not
gc is 54% (as that is the probability to have 0 objects in /17,
following probability mass function of the Bernoulli distribution,
(i.e. Pr(0 objects) = (157 over 0) x (1/256)^0 x (255/256)^157))

As it is repeatable (by picking the same /17 every time), I can run
"gc --auto" multiple times and still have 157 loose objects, despite
wanting to have only 128 loose objects at a 54% chance.

If we'd roll the 256 dice every time to pick a different bin,
then we might hit another bin and gc in the second or third
gc, which would be more precise on average.

By having repeatability we allow for these numbers to be far off
more often when configuring small numbers.

I think that is the right choice, as we probably do not care about the
exactness of auto-gc for small numbers, as it is a performance
thing anyway. Although documenting it properly might be a challenge.

The current wording of auto.gc seems to suggest that we are right
for the number as we compute it via the implying the expected value,
(i.e. we pick a bin and multiply the fullness of the bin by the number
of bins to estimate the whole fullness, see the mean=n p on [1])
I think a user would be far more interested in giving an upper bound,
i.e. expressing something like "I will have at most $auto.gc objects
before gc kicks in" or "The likelihood to exceed the $auto.gc number
of loose objects by $this much is less than 5%", for which the math
would be more complicated, but easier to document with the words of
statistics.

[1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_distribution

Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-08 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-05  7:09 People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? Linus Torvalds
2007-09-05  7:21 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-09-05  7:37   ` Karl Hasselström
2007-09-05  7:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05  7:26   ` Tomash Brechko
2007-09-05  8:13   ` Johan Herland
2007-09-05  8:39     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05  8:41       ` Johan Herland
2007-09-05  8:47         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  8:51       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-05  9:02         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  9:04         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05  8:51   ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-09-05  7:42 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-05  8:16   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05  8:50   ` Steven Grimm
     [not found]     ` <86ps0xcwxo.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
2007-09-05  9:07       ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-05  9:13         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  9:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05  9:27       ` Martin Langhoff
2007-09-05  9:33         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05 14:17           ` Johan De Messemaeker
2007-09-05 17:31             ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05 23:56               ` Jeff King
2007-09-05  9:13     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  9:14     ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-05 17:51   ` Nix
2007-09-05 18:14     ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-05 18:22       ` Nix
2007-09-05 18:54         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-05 20:01           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05 20:35             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-05 21:14               ` Nix
2007-09-05 21:46               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05 23:04                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-05 23:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06  0:27                     ` Carlos Rica
2007-09-06  5:55                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05 21:49               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05 21:59                 ` Invoke "git gc --auto" from commit, merge, am and rebase Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06  2:39                   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-05 20:37             ` [PATCH] Invoke "git gc --auto" from "git add" and "git fetch" Junio C Hamano
     [not found]               ` <69b0c0350709051357ifa547aarfe3e0b36cf9be98f@mail.gmail.com>
2007-09-05 20:59                 ` Fwd: " Govind Salinas
2007-09-06 12:02               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-09-05 21:18             ` People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? Alex Riesen
2007-09-06  2:44             ` Russ Dill
2007-09-06  2:52               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-06  9:28               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-09-06  2:45             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-06  2:49               ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-06  2:56                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-06 15:54             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-09-06 17:49               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06 18:15                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-06 18:29                   ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-06 23:12                   ` Subject: [PATCH] git-merge-pack Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06 23:35                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-07  0:51                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-07  1:58                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-07  2:32                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-07  4:07                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-07  4:43                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-08  9:50                         ` [PATCH] make sha1_file.c::matches_pack_name() available to others Junio C Hamano
2007-09-08 10:01                         ` [PATCH] pack-objects --repack-unpacked Junio C Hamano
2007-09-07  7:11                     ` Subject: [PATCH] git-merge-pack Johannes Sixt
2007-09-07  7:34                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-07  7:24                     ` Andy Parkins
2007-09-07  4:48                 ` People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-07 10:12                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-10-07 18:28           ` What's so special about objects/17/ ? Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-07 18:35             ` Johannes Sixt
2018-10-07 19:06               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-07 22:39                 ` Johannes Sixt
2018-10-08  0:54                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-07 19:46             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-07 20:07               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-08 19:17                 ` Stefan Beller [this message]
2018-10-09  1:03                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-09 17:37                     ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-10  1:10                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-10 19:08                         ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-08 10:36               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-09  1:07                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-09 17:40                   ` Stefan Beller
2007-09-05  8:16 ` People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? David Kastrup
2007-09-05 16:47 ` Govind Salinas
2007-09-05 17:19   ` Carl Worth
2007-09-05 17:55     ` Jing Xue
2007-09-05 17:35   ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-05 18:28     ` Nix
2007-09-05 17:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-09-05 18:46   ` Brandon Casey
2007-09-05 19:09     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05 19:13       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-09-05 19:43         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05 19:20       ` Mike Hommey
2007-09-05 21:07 ` Alex Riesen

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