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From: Jing Xue <jingxue@digizenstudio.com>
To: Carl Worth <cworth@cworth.org>
Cc: Govind Salinas <govindsalinas@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: People unaware of the importance of "git gc"?
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:55:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070905135549.b5k3etn94wos4g4o@intranet.digizenstudio.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ir6pc9n1.wl%cworth@cworth.org>


Quoting Carl Worth <cworth@cworth.org>:

> I don't think the warning message alone is a good fix. I think the
> people who would understand the warning and appreciate that they could
> then take care of repacking as convenient are the same people that
> already understand the repacking concept, and are likely already
> repacking occasionally, (so would likely never see the warning).
>
> But the problematic case is the user who knows nothing of the
> issue. And in that case, giving this warning isn't useful education,
> it's just forcing the user to learn more and do more work. "If git
> notices it has too many 'loose object' and 'git gc' would fix the
> problem, then why didn't it do that itself? And what the heck is a
> 'loose object' anyway?"

(my 2 cents as another ordinary new git user)
Hmm, not necessarily. That a system knows what the best action is  
doesn't meant that _right now_ is the best time to take that action.   
One subtle difference I think between git's gc and Java/python/etc.'s  
gc is that in the latter case it is, at least metaphorically, a life  
and death situation - if gc isn't run, the application will run out of  
memory, where as in git, it's more of a performance degradation issue,  
which, sort of, can wait.

On the issue of implementation awareness, a warning message saying  
something along the lines of "your repository is getting slower. You  
might want to consider running 'git gc', and remember to do that from  
time to time." is not much different from "your file system is getting  
slower. You might want to consider running <whatever-defrag-tool>, and  
remember to do that from time to time."

Neither these messages nor the actions they propose _require_ users to  
learn what "repacking", "loose object", or "file fragments" are about  
before they can proceed.

Cheers.
-- 
Jing Xue

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-05 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-05  7:09 People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? Linus Torvalds
2007-09-05  7:21 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-09-05  7:37   ` Karl Hasselström
2007-09-05  7:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05  7:26   ` Tomash Brechko
2007-09-05  8:13   ` Johan Herland
2007-09-05  8:39     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05  8:41       ` Johan Herland
2007-09-05  8:47         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  8:51       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-05  9:02         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  9:04         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05  8:51   ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-09-05  7:42 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-05  8:16   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05  8:50   ` Steven Grimm
     [not found]     ` <86ps0xcwxo.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
2007-09-05  9:07       ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-05  9:13         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  9:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05  9:27       ` Martin Langhoff
2007-09-05  9:33         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05 14:17           ` Johan De Messemaeker
2007-09-05 17:31             ` Matthieu Moy
2007-09-05 23:56               ` Jeff King
2007-09-05  9:13     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05  9:14     ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-05 17:51   ` Nix
2007-09-05 18:14     ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-05 18:22       ` Nix
2007-09-05 18:54         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-05 20:01           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05 20:35             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-05 21:14               ` Nix
2007-09-05 21:46               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05 23:04                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-05 23:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06  0:27                     ` Carlos Rica
2007-09-06  5:55                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05 21:49               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05 21:59                 ` Invoke "git gc --auto" from commit, merge, am and rebase Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06  2:39                   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-05 20:37             ` [PATCH] Invoke "git gc --auto" from "git add" and "git fetch" Junio C Hamano
     [not found]               ` <69b0c0350709051357ifa547aarfe3e0b36cf9be98f@mail.gmail.com>
2007-09-05 20:59                 ` Fwd: " Govind Salinas
2007-09-06 12:02               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-09-05 21:18             ` People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? Alex Riesen
2007-09-06  2:44             ` Russ Dill
2007-09-06  2:52               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-06  9:28               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-09-06  2:45             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-06  2:49               ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-06  2:56                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-06 15:54             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-09-06 17:49               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06 18:15                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-06 18:29                   ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-06 23:12                   ` Subject: [PATCH] git-merge-pack Junio C Hamano
2007-09-06 23:35                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-07  0:51                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-07  1:58                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-07  2:32                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-07  4:07                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-07  4:43                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-08  9:50                         ` [PATCH] make sha1_file.c::matches_pack_name() available to others Junio C Hamano
2007-09-08 10:01                         ` [PATCH] pack-objects --repack-unpacked Junio C Hamano
2007-09-07  7:11                     ` Subject: [PATCH] git-merge-pack Johannes Sixt
2007-09-07  7:34                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-07  7:24                     ` Andy Parkins
2007-09-07  4:48                 ` People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? Shawn O. Pearce
2007-09-07 10:12                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-10-07 18:28           ` What's so special about objects/17/ ? Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-07 18:35             ` Johannes Sixt
2018-10-07 19:06               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-07 22:39                 ` Johannes Sixt
2018-10-08  0:54                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-07 19:46             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-07 20:07               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-08 19:17                 ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-09  1:03                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-09 17:37                     ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-10  1:10                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-10 19:08                         ` Stefan Beller
2018-10-08 10:36               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-09  1:07                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-09 17:40                   ` Stefan Beller
2007-09-05  8:16 ` People unaware of the importance of "git gc"? David Kastrup
2007-09-05 16:47 ` Govind Salinas
2007-09-05 17:19   ` Carl Worth
2007-09-05 17:55     ` Jing Xue [this message]
2007-09-05 17:35   ` Steven Grimm
2007-09-05 18:28     ` Nix
2007-09-05 17:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-09-05 18:46   ` Brandon Casey
2007-09-05 19:09     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05 19:13       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-09-05 19:43         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-05 19:20       ` Mike Hommey
2007-09-05 21:07 ` Alex Riesen

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