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From: "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org>
To: "GitList" <git@vger.kernel.org>, "Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Jakub Narebski" <jnareb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 4/8] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:54:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9B0B8E2D61D34BFEB8FC3F30EB23437C@PhilipOakley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5790DF64.8030603@xiplink.com

From: "Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
> On 2016-07-20 05:10 PM, Philip Oakley wrote:
>> While there, also break out the other shorthand notations and
>> add a title for the revision range summary (which also appears
>> in git-rev-parse, so keep it mixed case).
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org>
>> ---
>>   Documentation/revisions.txt | 58 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
>>   1 file changed, 36 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/revisions.txt b/Documentation/revisions.txt
>> index 6e9cd41..5b37283 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/revisions.txt
>> +++ b/Documentation/revisions.txt
>> @@ -242,35 +242,49 @@ specifying a single revision with the notation 
>> described in the
>>   previous section means the set of commits reachable from that
>>   commit, following the commit ancestry chain.
>>
>> -To exclude commits reachable from a commit, a prefix '{caret}'
>> -notation is used.  E.g. '{caret}r1 r2' means commits reachable
>> -from 'r2' but exclude the ones reachable from 'r1'.
>> -
>> -This set operation appears so often that there is a shorthand
>> -for it.  When you have two commits 'r1' and 'r2' (named according
>> -to the syntax explained in SPECIFYING REVISIONS above), you can ask
>> -for commits that are reachable from r2 excluding those that are 
>> reachable
>> -from r1 by '{caret}r1 r2' and it can be written as 'r1..r2'.
>> -
>> -A similar notation 'r1\...r2' is called symmetric difference
>> -of 'r1' and 'r2' and is defined as
>> -'r1 r2 --not $(git merge-base --all r1 r2)'.
>> -It is the set of commits that are reachable from either one of
>> -'r1' (left side) or 'r2' (right side) but not from both.
>> -
>> -In these two shorthands, you can omit one end and let it default to 
>> HEAD.
>> +Commit Exclusions
>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> +
>> +'{caret}<rev>' (caret) Notation::
>> + To exclude commits reachable from a commit, a prefix '{caret}'
>> + notation is used.  E.g. '{caret}r1 r2' means commits reachable
>> + from 'r2' but exclude the ones reachable from 'r1'.
>> +
>> +Dotted Range Notations
>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> +
>> +The '..' (two-dot) Range Notation::
>> + The '{caret}r1 r2' set operation appears so often that there is a 
>> shorthand
>> + for it.  When you have two commits 'r1' and 'r2' (named according
>> + to the syntax explained in SPECIFYING REVISIONS above), you can ask
>> + for commits that are reachable from r2 excluding those that are 
>> reachable
>> + from r1 by '{caret}r1 r2' and it can be written as 'r1..r2'.
>> +
>> +The '...' (three dot) Symmetric Difference Notation::
>> + A similar notation 'r1\...r2' is called symmetric difference
>
> s/called/called the/

The wording is the original ;-) Can change.

>
>> + of 'r1' and 'r2' and is defined as
>> + 'r1 r2 --not $(git merge-base --all r1 r2)'.
>> + It is the set of commits that are reachable from either one of
>> + 'r1' (left side) or 'r2' (right side) but not from both.
>> +
>> +In these two shorthand notations, you can omit one end and let it 
>> default to HEAD.
>>   For example, 'origin..' is a shorthand for 'origin..HEAD' and asks 
>> "What
>>   did I do since I forked from the origin branch?"  Similarly, '..origin'
>>   is a shorthand for 'HEAD..origin' and asks "What did the origin do 
>> since
>>   I forked from them?"  Note that '..' would mean 'HEAD..HEAD' which is 
>> an
>>   empty range that is both reachable and unreachable from HEAD.
>>
>> -Two other shorthands for naming a set that is formed by a commit
>> -and its parent commits exist.  The 'r1{caret}@' notation means all
>> -parents of 'r1'.  'r1{caret}!' includes commit 'r1' but excludes
>> -all of its parents.
>> +Special '<rev>{caret}' Shorthand Notations
>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Sorry, but this header also does not render properly in the man page. 
> Maybe just "Special {caret} Shorthand Notations"?  (But read on!)

rendered fine on the MYS2 man invocation - I had had to add the <rev> prefix 
to the quoted title to make it work.

What went wrong for you? (I'll read on)


>
>> +Two other shorthands exist, particularly useful for merge commits, is
>> +for naming a set that is formed by a commit and its parent commits.
>>
>> -To summarize:
>> +The 'r1{caret}@' notation means all parents of 'r1'.
>> +
>> +'r1{caret}!' includes commit 'r1' but excludes all of its parents.
>
> My immediate thought upon reading this is "Why not just use 'r1'?"  I 
> think the answer is "This truncates the range."  So, for example, "git log 
> r1" shows you r1 and its ancestors, while "git log r1^!" only shows you 
> r1.  I think you should add this example, or something similar.
>

I'd also asked that question in one of my replies earlier $gmane/299849. I 
was then able to determine that it was a width wide 'range' covering 
multi-parent situations.

Identifying an example could be good if it was succinct and explanatory.

$ git rev-parse 6c71a849^!
> But, really, this means that the notation is another "Commit Exclusion" 
> and properly belongs in that section.

I think it's bigger than that.
>
> That makes this "Special Notations" section rather thin.  I suggest moving 
> a slightly expanded <rev>^@ description to a small subsection just before 
> Commit Exclusions, and deleting the Special Notations section altogether. 
> So add something like this:
>
> Commit Parents
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's a bit better, but I'm still not sure it really tells the story, maybe 
"Handling Commit Parent(s)", with that subtle extra emphasis!

>
> '<rev>{caret}@' Notation::
> The 'r1{caret}@' notation means all parents of 'r1',
> excluding 'r1' itself.
>
> This smoothly re-introduces the notion of parents for readers who skipped 
> to this section, and helps them make sense of the <rev>^! notation.
>
> Plus there's no longer anything "special" about any of the syntax.
>
>> +
>> +Revision Range Summary
>> +----------------------
>
> Sorry, but the man page renders this in all caps.  I really think you 
> should use ~~~~~~~~~ here.

Yes, the man page formating is annoying relative to the web page formatting 
which it has to be compared against.

I felt that it was at a higher level than the other sub-headings, and that 
using mixed case did work well on the html (the Git for Windows standard).

At the moment I'm minded to keep it as is unless others chime in.

>
> M.
>
I'll be away till mid next week.
--
Philip 


  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-21 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-22  7:25 name for A..B ranges? Philip Oakley
2016-06-24 16:09 ` Jeff King
2016-06-24 16:44   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-06-25 13:50     ` Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 16:46       ` [PATCH 0/2] " Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 16:46         ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 16:46         ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 18:47         ` [PATCH] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25         ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Name for A..B ranges? Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25           ` [PATCH v2 1/4] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25           ` [PATCH v2 2/4] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25           ` [PATCH v2 3/4] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25           ` [PATCH v2 4/4] doc: clarify that `^r1` will exclude `r1` itself Philip Oakley
2016-07-01 21:16             ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-01 22:08               ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-01 22:14                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-01 23:01                   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-10 21:17                     ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-01 21:27           ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-07-11 20:25           ` [PATCH v3 0/8] " Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 1/8] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 2/8] doc: revisions - name the Left and Right sides Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 16:47               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-12 21:47                 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 3/8] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 4/8] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 13:44               ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-12 17:04                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-12 22:11                   ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-19 16:03                     ` Jakub Narębski
2016-07-19 19:15                       ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 21:41                 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 22:12                   ` Jeff King
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 5/8] doc: gitrevisions - use 'reachable' in page description Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 6/8] doc: gitrevisions - clarify 'latter case' is revision walk Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 7/8] doc: revisions - define `reachable` Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 13:48               ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-12 21:44                 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25             ` [PATCH v3 8/8] doc: revisions - clarify reachability examples Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 19:29             ` [PATCH v3 0/8] Name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-07-12 22:29               ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:09             ` [PATCH v4 " Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 1/8] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 2/8] doc: revisions - name the left and right sides Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 3/8] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 4/8] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-07-21 14:42                 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-21 19:54                   ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2016-07-21 21:20                     ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-22 22:46                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 5/8] doc: gitrevisions - use 'reachable' in page description Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 6/8] doc: gitrevisions - clarify 'latter case' is revision walk Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 7/8] doc: revisions - define `reachable` Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10               ` [PATCH v4 8/8] doc: revisions - clarify reachability examples Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 22:22               ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-08-11 21:50               ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Philip Oakley
2016-08-11 21:50                 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-08-26 11:33                   ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-26 16:09                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-11 22:32                 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45                 ` [PATCH v6 " Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45                   ` [PATCH v6 05/12] doc: revisions: extra clarification of <rev>^! notation effects Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45                   ` [PATCH v6 06/12] doc: revisions: single vs multi-parent notation comparison Philip Oakley
2016-08-26 15:30                     ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-26 16:19                       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-12 23:45                   ` [PATCH v6 11/12] doc: revisions: show revision expansion in examples Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45                   ` [PATCH v6 12/12] doc: revisions: sort examples and fix alignment of the unchanged Philip Oakley
2016-08-15 14:30                   ` [PATCH v6 00/12] Update git revisions Marc Branchaud
2016-08-15 15:00                     ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-15 16:55                       ` BUG: indent-with-non-tab always on (was: Re: [PATCH v6 00/12] Update git revisions) Marc Branchaud
2016-08-15 17:54                         ` BUG: indent-with-non-tab always on Marc Branchaud
2016-08-15 17:06                     ` [PATCH v6 00/12] Update git revisions Junio C Hamano
2016-08-31 16:22                   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-11 23:03               ` [PATCH v5 " Philip Oakley
2016-08-11 23:03                 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07               ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 02/12] doc: revisions - name the left and right sides Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 03/12] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 04/12] doc: revisions: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:10                   ` Jeff King
2016-08-12 14:37                   ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 05/12] doc: revisions: extra clarification of <rev>^! notation effects Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 14:39                   ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 22:17                     ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 06/12] doc: revisions: single vs multi-parent notation comparison Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 14:40                   ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 22:23                     ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 07/12] doc: gitrevisions - use 'reachable' in page description Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 08/12] doc: gitrevisions - clarify 'latter case' is revision walk Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 09/12] doc: revisions - define `reachable` Philip Oakley
2016-08-28 13:01                   ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-29 13:21                     ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-29 14:43                       ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-29 19:27                         ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 10/12] doc: revisions - clarify reachability examples Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 11/12] doc: revisions: show revision expansion in examples Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 15:22                   ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 22:45                     ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12  7:07                 ` [PATCH v5 12/12] doc: revisions: sort examples and fix alignment of the unchanged Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 15:28                 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 19:20                   ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 21:27                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-06-25 19:49       ` name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-06-27 13:37         ` Philip Oakley
2016-06-27 15:08           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-06-27 15:39             ` Philip Oakley

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