From: "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org>
To: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
"Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
Cc: "GitList" <git@vger.kernel.org>, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/8] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:11:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D94C739D5C334AFE9E5E8410147899EA@PhilipOakley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: xmqqwpkq6b4d.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com
From: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>
> Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com> writes:
>
>>> +The '{caret}' (caret) notation
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> To exclude commits reachable from a commit, a prefix '{caret}'
>>> notation is used. E.g. '{caret}r1 r2' means commits reachable
>>> from 'r2' but exclude the ones reachable from 'r1'.
>>
>> All of these headings render poorly in the manpage, at least for me
>> (Ubuntu 16.04). Only the first word appears in bold; the '-quoted
>> text is not bold but underlined, and the rest of the header is plain.
>>
>>
>> Also, I think calling this "The ^ notation" is confusing, because
>> there's already an earlier paragraph on the "<rev>^" syntax.
>>
>> Maybe we don't need a header here? I only suggest that because I'm
>> having trouble coming up with a nice alternative. "Commit Exclusion"?
>
> Thanks for pointing out the potential confusion between ^X (exclude
> reachable), and X^ (the first parent). Commit exclusion is probably
> a good heading.
>
OK - I'll see about incorporating that.
>>> -This set operation appears so often that there is a shorthand
>>> +The '..' (two-dot) range notation
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Perhaps "Range notation", to mirror the capitalization of "Symmetric
>> Difference" in the next header?
>>> ...
>>> +The '...' (three dot) Symmetric Difference notation
>
> This uses a strange capitalization rule. s/notation/Notation/
> perhaps? The same comment for "Additional Shothand notation" below.
>
I'd just capitalised the specific term. Will change.
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> A similar notation 'r1\...r2' is called symmetric difference
>>> of 'r1' and 'r2' and is defined as
>>> 'r1 r2 --not $(git merge-base --all r1 r2)'.
>>> It is the set of commits that are reachable from either one of
>>> 'r1' (Left side) or 'r2' (Right side) but not from both.
>>>
>>> -In these two shorthands, you can omit one end and let it default to
>>> HEAD.
>>> +In these two shorthand notations, you can omit one end and let it
>>> default to HEAD.
>>> For example, 'origin..' is a shorthand for 'origin..HEAD' and asks
>>> "What
>>> did I do since I forked from the origin branch?" Similarly,
>>> '..origin'
>>> is a shorthand for 'HEAD..origin' and asks "What did the origin do
>>> since
>>> I forked from them?" Note that '..' would mean 'HEAD..HEAD' which is
>>> an
>>> empty range that is both reachable and unreachable from HEAD.
>>
>> Unfortunately the new headings make it appear that this paragraph is
>> exclusively part of the '...' notation section. Folks reading the
>> ..' section are likely to skip it.
>>
>> I like the examples, though. I think it would be worthwhile to remove
>> this paragraph and fold it explicitly into the '..' and '...' notation
>> sections.
>
> An alternative would be to have
>
> - Dotted range notations
> - Two-dot notation
> - Three-dot notation
>
> which would help make it stand out that defaulting is common
> characteristics between .. and ... notations. But I can imagine
> that your "with slight duplication" variant below would work well,
> too.
I'll look into that.
>
>> So add something like this to the '..' section (only the first
>> sentence here is new):
>>
>> Either r1 or r2 can be omitted, in which case HEAD is used as
>> the default. For example, 'origin..' is a shorthand for
>> 'origin..HEAD' and asks "What did I do since I forked from the
>> origin branch?" Similarly, '..origin' is a shorthand for
>> 'HEAD..origin' and asks "What did the origin do since I forked
>> from them?" Note that '..' would mean 'HEAD..HEAD' which is an
>> empty range that is both reachable and unreachable from HEAD.
>>
>> And also, add the same first sentence and a different example to the
>> ...' section. Something like this:
>>
>> Either r1 or r2 can be omitted, in which case HEAD is used as
>> the default. For example, 'origin...' is a shorthand for
>> 'origin...HEAD' and asks "What have I and origin both done
>> since I forked from the origin branch?" Note that 'origin...'
>> and '...origin' ask the same question.
>
>>> +Additional '{caret}' Shorthand notations
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Two other shorthands for naming a set that is formed by a commit
>>> -and its parent commits exist. The 'r1{caret}@' notation means all
>>> -parents of 'r1'. 'r1{caret}!' includes commit 'r1' but excludes
>>> -all of its parents.
>>> +and its parent commits exist.
>>
>> I think descriptions of <rev>^@ and <rev>^! should live under the main
>> description of <rev>^. That part already describes the numeric
>> suffix, so describing a couple of special suffixes there seems like a
>> natural fit.
>
> I actually think this is a good place to have them described.
> <rev>^<number> is about specifying a single commit. These two are
> not that (you can say HEAD^2^@ but you cannot say HEAD^@^2, for
> example).
These two are special cases I'm not too familiar with, particularly the r1^!
which I didn't undesrtand from the description...
--
Philip
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-07-12 22:12 UTC|newest]
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2016-06-22 7:25 name for A..B ranges? Philip Oakley
2016-06-24 16:09 ` Jeff King
2016-06-24 16:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-06-25 13:50 ` Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 16:46 ` [PATCH 0/2] " Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 16:46 ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 16:46 ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-06-25 18:47 ` [PATCH] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Name for A..B ranges? Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-06-30 20:25 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] doc: clarify that `^r1` will exclude `r1` itself Philip Oakley
2016-07-01 21:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-01 22:08 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-01 22:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-01 23:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-10 21:17 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-01 21:27 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 0/8] " Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 1/8] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 2/8] doc: revisions - name the Left and Right sides Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 16:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-12 21:47 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 3/8] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 4/8] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 13:44 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-12 17:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-12 22:11 ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2016-07-19 16:03 ` Jakub Narębski
2016-07-19 19:15 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 21:41 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 22:12 ` Jeff King
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 5/8] doc: gitrevisions - use 'reachable' in page description Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 6/8] doc: gitrevisions - clarify 'latter case' is revision walk Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 7/8] doc: revisions - define `reachable` Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 13:48 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-12 21:44 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-11 20:25 ` [PATCH v3 8/8] doc: revisions - clarify reachability examples Philip Oakley
2016-07-12 19:29 ` [PATCH v3 0/8] Name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-07-12 22:29 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:09 ` [PATCH v4 " Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 1/8] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 2/8] doc: revisions - name the left and right sides Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 3/8] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 4/8] doc: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-07-21 14:42 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-21 19:54 ` Philip Oakley
2016-07-21 21:20 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-07-22 22:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 5/8] doc: gitrevisions - use 'reachable' in page description Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 6/8] doc: gitrevisions - clarify 'latter case' is revision walk Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 7/8] doc: revisions - define `reachable` Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 21:10 ` [PATCH v4 8/8] doc: revisions - clarify reachability examples Philip Oakley
2016-07-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-08-11 21:50 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Philip Oakley
2016-08-11 21:50 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-08-26 11:33 ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-26 16:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-11 22:32 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45 ` [PATCH v6 " Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45 ` [PATCH v6 05/12] doc: revisions: extra clarification of <rev>^! notation effects Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45 ` [PATCH v6 06/12] doc: revisions: single vs multi-parent notation comparison Philip Oakley
2016-08-26 15:30 ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-26 16:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-12 23:45 ` [PATCH v6 11/12] doc: revisions: show revision expansion in examples Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 23:45 ` [PATCH v6 12/12] doc: revisions: sort examples and fix alignment of the unchanged Philip Oakley
2016-08-15 14:30 ` [PATCH v6 00/12] Update git revisions Marc Branchaud
2016-08-15 15:00 ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-15 16:55 ` BUG: indent-with-non-tab always on (was: Re: [PATCH v6 00/12] Update git revisions) Marc Branchaud
2016-08-15 17:54 ` BUG: indent-with-non-tab always on Marc Branchaud
2016-08-15 17:06 ` [PATCH v6 00/12] Update git revisions Junio C Hamano
2016-08-31 16:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-08-11 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 " Philip Oakley
2016-08-11 23:03 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] doc: use 'symmetric difference' consistently Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 02/12] doc: revisions - name the left and right sides Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 03/12] doc: show the actual left, right, and boundary marks Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 04/12] doc: revisions: give headings for the two and three dot notations Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:10 ` Jeff King
2016-08-12 14:37 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 05/12] doc: revisions: extra clarification of <rev>^! notation effects Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 14:39 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 22:17 ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 06/12] doc: revisions: single vs multi-parent notation comparison Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 14:40 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 22:23 ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 07/12] doc: gitrevisions - use 'reachable' in page description Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 08/12] doc: gitrevisions - clarify 'latter case' is revision walk Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 09/12] doc: revisions - define `reachable` Philip Oakley
2016-08-28 13:01 ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-29 13:21 ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-29 14:43 ` Jakub Narębski
2016-08-29 19:27 ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 10/12] doc: revisions - clarify reachability examples Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 11/12] doc: revisions: show revision expansion in examples Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 15:22 ` Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 22:45 ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 7:07 ` [PATCH v5 12/12] doc: revisions: sort examples and fix alignment of the unchanged Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 15:28 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Update git revisions Marc Branchaud
2016-08-12 19:20 ` Philip Oakley
2016-08-12 21:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-06-25 19:49 ` name for A..B ranges? Junio C Hamano
2016-06-27 13:37 ` Philip Oakley
2016-06-27 15:08 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-06-27 15:39 ` Philip Oakley
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