git@vger.kernel.org mailing list mirror (one of many)
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: "Sean Kelley" <sean.v.kelley@gmail.com>
To: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:53:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <89b129c60807161553u58f0c926yed4d6fabe49f42af@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080716223205.GK2167@mit.edu>

Hi

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
>
> In general, I find that people are more willing to listen to "we have
> a more powerful way of doing things", if you can first give them the
> equivalent of the "dumb and stupid" way that they are used to doing
> things so they can switch to the new tool right away without too much
> of a steep learning curve; they will then switch to the more
> advanced/powerful workflows at their own pace.  Other people may have
> other pedgogical techniques, but I find mine to work fairly well.
>
> Regards,
>
>                                                - Ted



When one has 100 users in a company using a DVCS, you really need some
sort of simplified workflow documented and taught.  Not everyone who
writes code is particularly keen on the vagaries of a VCS' commands.
I know that must be shocking to this audience the GIT list, but it is
very very true.  They don't give a crap what sort of weird command
combination one can pull out of the 100 or so commands when you type
git-<tab> at a bash prompt.  They just want the damn thing to behave
in a somewhat friendly fashion.  They want to check in their code and
get on with software development and not over analyzing how many ways
they can do the same command.   In my experience, what Ted is
suggesting is the only way to handle it.  Most developers just want it
to work and focus on debugging their project.  Never expect your users
to have the same interest as you in VCS.

Sean

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-16 22:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-16 17:21 Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 17:50 ` Jesper Eskilson
2008-07-16 18:14   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 18:19     ` Jesper Eskilson
2008-07-16 18:27       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 17:53 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 18:12   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 18:35     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 20:13       ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 21:53       ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-07-17 11:18         ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 15:52           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 16:05             ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 16:18               ` Subversion's do-everything-via-copying paradigm ( was RE: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful) Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 21:05                 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 22:06                   ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 22:07                 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-17 22:11                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 20:04               ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 20:12                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:26                   ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-17 20:40                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 21:03                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 21:10                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:34                   ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 20:42                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:15               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 21:02                 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 22:32                   ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-07-18  7:41               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-17 16:11             ` Subversion is actually not so simple (was RE: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful) Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 17:37               ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 19:00           ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Daniel Barkalow
2008-07-16 18:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 18:51     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 18:59       ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-16 19:22         ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 19:09       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 19:29         ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 19:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 19:46             ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 20:12               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 22:32                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 22:41                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 22:53                   ` Sean Kelley [this message]
2008-07-16 23:17                   ` Nigel Magnay
2008-07-17  3:21                   ` Stephen Sinclair
2008-07-18 17:02                 ` Ping Yin
2008-07-16 22:24           ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 22:28           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 22:49             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17  0:25               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  2:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 14:21             ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 14:51               ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-17 15:57                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-16 21:16       ` david
2008-07-16 21:59       ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 20:23   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-07-16 20:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-07-16 20:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 23:05   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 23:40     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17  0:02       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  6:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 15:55   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-17 16:03     ` Karl Hasselström
2008-07-17 18:16     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17 18:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 18:43         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17 19:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-18 14:35             ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-18  9:55           ` Addremove equivalent [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Michael J Gruber
2008-07-18 20:18             ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-18 23:03               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20  3:27               ` Addremove equivalent Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:28                 ` [PATCH 1/2] builtin-add.c: restructure the code for maintainability Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:29                 ` [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:32                   ` [PATCH 3/2] git-add -a: tests Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  4:20                   ` [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files Tarmigan
2008-07-20  4:28                     ` Tarmigan
2008-07-20 10:56                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20 12:45                       ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-20 18:30                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20 20:46                           ` Lars Noschinski
2008-07-20 23:59                           ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  0:06                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-21  0:17                               ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  0:22                                 ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  2:11                           ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-20 20:34                         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-07-16 21:48 ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 23:19   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 22:09 ` Stephan Beyer
2008-07-16 23:22   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  1:01     ` Stephan Beyer
2008-07-17  7:30 ` "Peter Valdemar Mørch (Lists)"
2008-07-17 12:38   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-17 12:55   ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 13:35     ` Peter Valdemar Mørch
2008-07-17 14:26       ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 16:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-18  8:19 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-07-18 18:26   ` Jeff King
2008-07-18 10:14 ` Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Michael J Gruber
2008-07-18 18:26   ` Jon Loeliger
2008-07-18 18:52     ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-18 19:50     ` Suggestion: doc restructuring Junio C Hamano
2008-07-19  1:19   ` Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20  8:14     ` Suggestion: doc restructuring Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20 11:02       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-21  6:41       ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-07-21 10:04         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-21 16:22         ` Junio C Hamano

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=89b129c60807161553u58f0c926yed4d6fabe49f42af@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=sean.v.kelley@gmail.com \
    --cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://80x24.org/mirrors/git.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).