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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:51:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vmykhpn6z.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0807161804400.8950@racer> (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:21:02 +0100 (BST)")

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:

> Am I the only one who deems teaching plumbing to users ("I like it raw!  
> So I teach it the same way!") harmful?

I think that justification is harmful.

More productive way to think about it is to identify cases where we _need_
to go down to combination of the plumbing commands in our daily workflow,
with today's command set.  That would give us a good indication that some
Porcelain may need to be enhanced.

An example. I find myself running "git read-tree -m -u $another_state"
while redoing a series inside a "rebase -i" session to move commit
boundaries.  There may need an insn that says "use that tree" instead of
"edit" and running "read-tree -m -u" by hand.  This does not bother me too
much, but there probably are other examples.

Another example.  I often run "git ls-files -u" while looking at which
paths are conflicting.  ls-files is classified as plumbing, but it does
not bother me as much as having to see the staged long object names in
this output.  Other people, however, might find it yucky, and we might
want "git merge --unmerged" or something that lists the paths (and only
paths, no stage information) that still have conflicts.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-16 20:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-16 17:21 Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 17:50 ` Jesper Eskilson
2008-07-16 18:14   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 18:19     ` Jesper Eskilson
2008-07-16 18:27       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 17:53 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 18:12   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 18:35     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 20:13       ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 21:53       ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-07-17 11:18         ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 15:52           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 16:05             ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 16:18               ` Subversion's do-everything-via-copying paradigm ( was RE: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful) Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 21:05                 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 22:06                   ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 22:07                 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-17 22:11                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 20:04               ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 20:12                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:26                   ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-17 20:40                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 21:03                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 21:10                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:34                   ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 20:42                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:15               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 21:02                 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 22:32                   ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-07-18  7:41               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-17 16:11             ` Subversion is actually not so simple (was RE: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful) Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 17:37               ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 19:00           ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Daniel Barkalow
2008-07-16 18:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 18:51     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 18:59       ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-16 19:22         ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 19:09       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 19:29         ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 19:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 19:46             ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 20:12               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 22:32                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 22:41                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 22:53                   ` Sean Kelley
2008-07-16 23:17                   ` Nigel Magnay
2008-07-17  3:21                   ` Stephen Sinclair
2008-07-18 17:02                 ` Ping Yin
2008-07-16 22:24           ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 22:28           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 22:49             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17  0:25               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  2:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 14:21             ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 14:51               ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-17 15:57                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-16 21:16       ` david
2008-07-16 21:59       ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 20:23   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-07-16 20:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-07-16 20:51 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2008-07-16 23:05   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 23:40     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17  0:02       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  6:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 15:55   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-17 16:03     ` Karl Hasselström
2008-07-17 18:16     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17 18:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 18:43         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17 19:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-18 14:35             ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-18  9:55           ` Addremove equivalent [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Michael J Gruber
2008-07-18 20:18             ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-18 23:03               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20  3:27               ` Addremove equivalent Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:28                 ` [PATCH 1/2] builtin-add.c: restructure the code for maintainability Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:29                 ` [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:32                   ` [PATCH 3/2] git-add -a: tests Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  4:20                   ` [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files Tarmigan
2008-07-20  4:28                     ` Tarmigan
2008-07-20 10:56                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20 12:45                       ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-20 18:30                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20 20:46                           ` Lars Noschinski
2008-07-20 23:59                           ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  0:06                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-21  0:17                               ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  0:22                                 ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  2:11                           ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-20 20:34                         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-07-16 21:48 ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 23:19   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 22:09 ` Stephan Beyer
2008-07-16 23:22   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  1:01     ` Stephan Beyer
2008-07-17  7:30 ` "Peter Valdemar Mørch (Lists)"
2008-07-17 12:38   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-17 12:55   ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 13:35     ` Peter Valdemar Mørch
2008-07-17 14:26       ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 16:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-18  8:19 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-07-18 18:26   ` Jeff King
2008-07-18 10:14 ` Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Michael J Gruber
2008-07-18 18:26   ` Jon Loeliger
2008-07-18 18:52     ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-18 19:50     ` Suggestion: doc restructuring Junio C Hamano
2008-07-19  1:19   ` Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20  8:14     ` Suggestion: doc restructuring Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20 11:02       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-21  6:41       ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-07-21 10:04         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-21 16:22         ` Junio C Hamano

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