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From: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: "Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de, peff@peff.net,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy" <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	"Carlo Marcelo Arenas Belón" <carenas@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' setting to update config defaults
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 23:54:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <867e8o9qzt.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50955e76-8b61-8ffd-b8ee-3621ecbd912b@gmail.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:22:49 -0400")

Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:
> On 7/1/2019 10:29 AM, Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget wrote:
>>
>> Here is a second run at this RFC, which aims to create a "meta" config
>> setting that automatically turns on other settings according to a user's
>> willingness to trade new Git behavior or new feature risk for performance
>> benefits. The new name for the setting is "core.featureAdoptionRate" and is
>> an integer scale from 0 to 10. There will be multiple "categories" of
>> settings, and the intention is to allow more granular levels as necessary.
>
> (Adding people who contributed feedback to CC line.)
>
> It seems that this "Feature Adoption Rate" idea was too simplistic, and
> had several issues. Time to take a different stab at this direction, but
> with these clear goals in mind:
>
>  1. We want intermediate users to be able to take advantage of new config
>     options without watching every release for new config options.
>
>  2. The config name should match the general effect of the implied
>     settings.
>
>  3. There are orthogonal settings that may not apply beneficially to
>     all repos.
>
> With this in mind, I propose instead a set of "feature.*" config settings
> that form groups of "community recommended" settings (with some caveats).
> In the space below, I'll list a set of possible feature names and the
> implied config options.

A bit of bikeshed painting: I am unsure if "feature.*" is the best name
for this category of config (meta)settings.  Perhaps "defaults.*" or
"presets.*" would be a better name -- they would certainly be more
indicative of what setting this config variable actually *does*.

> First, the main two categories we've discussed so far: many commits and
> many files. These two feature sets are for when your repo is large in
> one of these dimensions. Perhaps there are other settings to include
> in these?
>
> 	feature.manyFiles:
> 		index.version = 4
> 		index.threads = true
> 		core.untrackedCache = true
>
> 	feature.manyCommits:
> 		core.commitGraph = true
> 		gc.writeCommitGraph = true
> 		(future: fetch.writeSplitCommitGraph = true)
>
> Note: the `fetch.writeSplitCommitGraph` does not exist yet, but could
> be introduced in a later release to write a new commit-graph (with --split)
> on fetch.

That looks really nice (for a built-in set of defaults).

It would be good if the above format, or something like it, could be
used as a source of truth for this feature.

> The other category that has been discussed already is that of "experimental
> features that we generally think are helpful but change behavior slightly in
> some cases".
>
> 	feature.experimental:
> 		pack.useSparse = true
> 		status.aheadBehind = false
> 		fetch.showForcedUpdates = false
> 		merge.directoryRenames = true
> 		protocol.version = 2
> 		fetch.negotiationAlgorithm = skipping

Well... turning off by default status.aheadBehind and
fetch.showForcedUpdates makes sense only if also repository is large.
Otherwise it is not useful, and even a bad thing.

Both of status.aheadBehind and fetch.showForcedUpdates are discoverable;
as far as I remember Git would show a hint about those config options
when the related task takes too long (either 'git status' in case of
status.aheadBehind, or 'git fetch' in the latter case).

I don't know if we have discoverability in the opposite direction: do we
show some advice (which as all advice can be turned off in the config)
if either of status.aheadBehind or fetch.showForcedUpdates is false?

> We have not discussed anything like the next category, but Dscho thought
> a set of configs to make pretty diffs could be a fun "meta-config" setting:
>
> 	feature.prettyDiff:
> 		diff.color = auto
> 		ui.color = auto
> 		diff.context = 5
> 		diff.colorMoved = true
> 		diff.colorMovedWs = allow-indentation-change
> 		diff.algorithm = minimal
>
> These are just a first round of suggestions. I'm sure we would enjoy a
> debate around an optimal set of diff settings.

Maybe Git for Windows defaults would be shipped in similar form; though
I wonder if in this case it is better from simple system-wide settings.

> Finally, here is a kind of feature that I could imagine being helpful
> in the future, but maybe is not a good idea to pursue right now. In
> some cases users use "gc.auto = 0" to prevent all user-time blocking
> maintenance.

Don't we have a hook for that?

>              This can degrade performance over time as loose objects
> and pack-files accumulate. The performance could mostly be recovered
> by using a multi-pack-index, but there is not current way to automatically
> write the file. This would not solve the space issues that happen here.
>
> 	feature.noGC:
> 		gc.auto = 0
> 		core.multiPackIndex = true
> 		(future: fetch.writeMultiPackIndex = true)
>
> What do people think about this general idea? Are there any other
> feature.* settings that could be useful? Any additional settings
> to add to these groups?

Maybe feature.slowFilesystem / defaults.slowFilesystem?  Or maybe
feature.server?

Best regards,
-- 
Jakub Narębski

      parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-11 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-03 20:18 [PATCH 00/11] [RFC] Create 'core.size=large' " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 01/11] repo-settings: create repo.size=large setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:42   ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 02/11] repo-settings: use index.version=4 by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 03/11] repo-settings: pack.useSparse=true Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 04/11] status: add status.aheadbehind setting Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 05/11] status: add warning when a/b calculation takes too long for long/normal format Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 07/11] repo-settings: status.aheadBehind=false Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 06/11] status: ignore status.aheadbehind in porcelain formats Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 08/11] fetch: add --[no-]show-forced-updates argument Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 10/11] pull: add --[no-]show-forced-updates passthrough to fetch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 09/11] fetch: warn about forced updates after branch list Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 11/11] repo-settings: fetch.showForcedUpdates=false Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:55 ` [PATCH 00/11] [RFC] Create 'core.size=large' setting to update config defaults Derrick Stolee
2019-06-04 14:43 ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-06-04 14:56   ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-05 20:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-06 12:23   ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-06 16:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-19 15:11 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-19 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] repo-settings: create core.featureAdoptionRate setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-28 20:50     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-28 21:08       ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-28 21:42     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-29  1:43       ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-30 18:35         ` Carlo Arenas
2019-07-01 12:45           ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-02 10:47     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-07-02 11:09       ` Duy Nguyen
2019-07-02 14:54         ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-02 16:59         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-19 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] repo-settings: use index.version=4 by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-19 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] repo-settings: pack.useSparse=true Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 14:29   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' setting to update config defaults Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 14:29     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] repo-settings: create core.featureAdoptionRate setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 23:27       ` Carlo Arenas
2019-07-02  9:20       ` Duy Nguyen
2019-07-02 10:53         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-07-04 22:47         ` Jakub Narebski
2019-07-01 14:29     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] repo-settings: use index.version=4 by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 14:29     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] repo-settings: pack.useSparse=true Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-08 19:22     ` [PATCH v3 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' setting to update config defaults Derrick Stolee
2019-07-09 18:55       ` Taylor Blau
2019-07-09 19:21       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-09 19:45         ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-09 22:05           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-22 12:10             ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-11 21:54       ` Jakub Narebski [this message]

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