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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: "Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de, peff@peff.net,
	"Jakub Narębski" <jnareb@gmail.com>,
	"Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy" <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	"Carlo Marcelo Arenas Belón" <carenas@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' setting to update config defaults
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:05:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqef2yvp7v.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <afdaaa93-8769-c859-e957-e61d27b6d5a9@gmail.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:45:40 -0400")

Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:

> From this list, do you think any of these settings are likely to
> become defaults? It seems that protocol.version = 2 may be a default
> now that _most_ services have an implementation, and it always falls
> back to protocol v1 without extra cost.
>
> When pack.useSparse was first introduced, I considered making it true
> by default after a while. But you protested, saying you want people
> knocking at the door saying it is useful. What if it lived here?
>
> fetch.negotiationAlgorithm and merge.directoryRenames seem like
> valuable features and maybe just need more time out in the world
> before they could be considered defaults.

I mostly agree with the categorization you gave above.

I think it is perfectly fine for a knob, after proving its worth by
existing in the world without being a part of any feature.* set, to
become part of feature.experimental, and then later be ejected
without ever becoming the default in response to reactions by real
world users.  This would be easier to arrange if we had at least two
experiment levels.  One class would be "we are firmly committed to
make these default in the future and ironing kinks out---please help
by setting feature.experimental on" and is more for early adopter
testing.  The other class may be "we try this on users to see if
there are some populations of them with usage patterns we did not
anticipate, and will yank it out if it turns out to be problematic
to some users."  The more guinea pig users opt into the latter
"Highly Experimental" category, the more help they can give us to
prevent an ill-thought-out feature that does not universally help to
become a new default.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-09 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-03 20:18 [PATCH 00/11] [RFC] Create 'core.size=large' " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 01/11] repo-settings: create repo.size=large setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:42   ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 02/11] repo-settings: use index.version=4 by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 03/11] repo-settings: pack.useSparse=true Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 04/11] status: add status.aheadbehind setting Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 05/11] status: add warning when a/b calculation takes too long for long/normal format Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 07/11] repo-settings: status.aheadBehind=false Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 06/11] status: ignore status.aheadbehind in porcelain formats Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 08/11] fetch: add --[no-]show-forced-updates argument Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 10/11] pull: add --[no-]show-forced-updates passthrough to fetch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 09/11] fetch: warn about forced updates after branch list Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:18 ` [PATCH 11/11] repo-settings: fetch.showForcedUpdates=false Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-03 20:55 ` [PATCH 00/11] [RFC] Create 'core.size=large' setting to update config defaults Derrick Stolee
2019-06-04 14:43 ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-06-04 14:56   ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-05 20:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-06 12:23   ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-06 16:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-19 15:11 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-19 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] repo-settings: create core.featureAdoptionRate setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-28 20:50     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-28 21:08       ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-28 21:42     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-29  1:43       ` Derrick Stolee
2019-06-30 18:35         ` Carlo Arenas
2019-07-01 12:45           ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-02 10:47     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-07-02 11:09       ` Duy Nguyen
2019-07-02 14:54         ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-02 16:59         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-19 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] repo-settings: use index.version=4 by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-06-19 15:12   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] repo-settings: pack.useSparse=true Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 14:29   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' setting to update config defaults Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 14:29     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] repo-settings: create core.featureAdoptionRate setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 23:27       ` Carlo Arenas
2019-07-02  9:20       ` Duy Nguyen
2019-07-02 10:53         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-07-04 22:47         ` Jakub Narebski
2019-07-01 14:29     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] repo-settings: use index.version=4 by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-01 14:29     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] repo-settings: pack.useSparse=true Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-07-08 19:22     ` [PATCH v3 0/3] [RFC] Create 'core.featureAdoptionRate' setting to update config defaults Derrick Stolee
2019-07-09 18:55       ` Taylor Blau
2019-07-09 19:21       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-09 19:45         ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-09 22:05           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2019-07-22 12:10             ` Derrick Stolee
2019-07-11 21:54       ` Jakub Narebski

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