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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:59:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <853awepyz6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710130130380.25221@racer.site> (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Sat\, 13 Oct 2007 01\:46\:40 +0100 \(BST\)")

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:

> Jakub, thank you very much for doing this.  It is a very tedious
> work, and I deem it invaluable.

And yet you trash the results.

>>    Git is just too complicated for a typical project. I understand
>>    it's probably great for the Linux kernel but for a smaller
>>    project like mine (Mesa) it's overkill and a frustration. (...)
>>    With git everything seems hard. (...)  I've _wasted_ hours
>>    trying to figure out git. That alone is a huge issue. I guess I
>>    could go into specific details about my problems with git but
>>    I've already spent enough time on this survey.
>
> I find it always a little strange how people want to use something
> like git, but are unwilling to ask.  Is this such a big attack on
> the manliness to admist one needs help or what?

Not everybody likes getting the kind of treatment you find fit to dish
out.

>>    Figure out why people find git hard to learn and eliminate those
>>    barriers to entry.  Make git more task-oriented rather than
>>    data-model-oriented the way it is now.
>
> Frankly, expectations like these make me want to bang somebody's
> head on the wall.

And you wonder that people are unwilling to ask for things on the
list?  When even mentioning something in a _survey_ makes core
developers want to bang their heads against a wall?

I find it a pity that my suggestion to ask about how comfortable
people are with the tone on the list did not make it into the survey.
Enough core developers make the tone sufficiently unconstructive to
make it quite understandable that people are unwilling to ask
questions here, in order to avoid getting their heads banged against a
wall, virtual or not.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-13 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-08 20:55 Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Jakub Narebski
2007-10-12 22:08 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-12 23:36   ` Frank Lichtenheld
2007-10-13  0:46   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-13  2:13     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-13  2:53     ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-13 12:58     ` Frank Lichtenheld
2007-10-13 13:04       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-13 18:00     ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-13 19:59     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-10-13 20:27       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-13 20:57         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14  0:36         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14  1:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-14  1:44             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-14  3:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-14  3:43                 ` david
2007-10-14  3:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-14 10:20               ` Reece Dunn
2007-10-14 18:12                 ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-14 18:40                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-14 19:25                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-14 19:50                     ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 20:18                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 20:22                         ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 20:24                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-14 19:44                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-15 23:20                     ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16  2:48                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-16 10:51                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14  2:06             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14  8:45               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14  9:21                 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 21:49       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-14 22:08         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 22:17           ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 22:12         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 22:15           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-14 22:23           ` Matthew Andrews
2007-10-14 22:30             ` David Kastrup
2007-10-14 21:10     ` David Tweed
2007-10-19 20:57     ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-19 23:27       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-19 23:37       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 14:28         ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-20  8:03       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-20 10:19         ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-20 11:29           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-21  6:08             ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-10-20 23:06           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-20 23:33             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-21  7:17               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-21 22:15                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22  7:59                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 11:04                     ` best git practices, was " Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 12:44                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 13:48                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 14:31                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 15:00                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 15:16                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 15:42                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-22 19:36                                 ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-22 23:21                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 19:04                                     ` Carl Worth
2007-10-22 23:35                             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-23  5:38                               ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-23 10:58                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-24 18:48                                   ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 19:20                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 19:41                                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 19:48                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 20:12                                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 20:33                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 21:06                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 21:20                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 21:28                                                 ` Peter Baumann
2007-10-24 21:47                                                   ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 22:14                                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-24 22:33                                                       ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 22:38                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-24 22:51                                                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 23:28                                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25  6:02                                                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 10:27                                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 12:04                                                               ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25  7:15                                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25  7:31                                                             ` Peter Baumann
2007-10-25  7:57                                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25  8:25                                                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 10:17                                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 10:33                                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 12:09                                                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 12:58                                                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 13:24                                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-25 14:58                                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 15:21                                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-25 17:05                                                                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 18:33                                                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-25 20:18                                                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-26  6:18                                                                             ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-26  7:53                                                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 18:02                                                                       ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinishedsummary continued Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-25 18:04                                                                         ` Mike Hommey
2007-10-25 18:18                                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-25 18:23                                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-25 20:08                                                                         ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-26 20:01                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-25 16:06                                                       ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-25 16:38                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-25 18:06                                                           ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-25 18:16                                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-25 20:19                                                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 20:27                                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-26  9:17                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-26  4:41                                                         ` [PATCH] Make rebase smarter Steven Walter
2007-10-26  7:42                                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-26  9:57                                                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-26 21:02                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-26 23:13                                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-26 23:29                                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-24 21:54                                                   ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 22:17                                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25  8:07                                                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 10:12                                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 10:24                                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 11:39                                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 12:46                                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 14:51                                                                 ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-25 17:10                                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25  7:26                                                     ` Peter Baumann
2007-10-24 21:16                                               ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-24 20:13                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-24 23:48                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-25  7:42                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25 10:07                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-25 10:39                                               ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-25 16:16                                           ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-23  7:24                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 18:06                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-22 13:17                       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-22 13:33                         ` David Symonds
2007-10-22 13:38                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 17:48                           ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-10-23 22:13                         ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-22 13:36                       ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-10-22 15:24                       ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summarycontinued Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-24  2:06                       ` best git practices, was Re: Git User's Survey 2007 unfinished summary continued Jakub Narebski
2007-10-24 10:29                         ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-24 11:04                           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-24 11:31                             ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-24 23:27                               ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-25  6:10                                 ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-24 13:15                             ` Catalin Marinas
2007-10-22 12:26                     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-22 13:45                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-22 14:29                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-22 14:53                     ` Federico Mena Quintero
2007-10-22 23:27                       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-10-22 22:53                   ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-21 22:12           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-13  3:04   ` Shawn O. Pearce

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