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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Frank Lichtenheld <frank@lichtenheld.de>
Cc: Alex Unleashed <alex@flawedcode.org>, Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>,
	Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>,
	Dmitry Kakurin <dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com>,
	Git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: C++ *for Git*
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:23:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <851wcpsv4z.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070923062527.GA8979@old.davidb.org> (David Brown's message of "Sat\, 22 Sep 2007 23\:25\:27 -0700")

David Brown <git@davidb.org> writes:

> On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 04:09:51AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
>>On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 12:50:00AM +0200, Alex Unleashed wrote:
>>> I'd say being forced to be explicit is a good thing here, so that the
>>> programmer at least has some sort of good understanding of what is
>>> going on, and chances are that if he doesn't really know, things just
>>> won't work out (quite unlike a lot of other languages where this
>>> programmer might actually end up with something half-assed that
>>> "mostly" works).
>>> For some reason it seems to me a lot harder to find bad programmers
>>> surviving using C than a lot of the other languages.
>>
>>Idiot-proofness-by-complexity is a myth IMHO. Idiots can be quite
>>persistent...
>
> I work with plenty of them :-) It's all C.  All of the same things
> happen, with management looking for magic bullets to solve problems
> caused by bad programmers.

C++ is good for creating black boxes.  A black box that has been
fitted into its environment and that has good innards is fine.  A
black box with rotten innards, or not really being well-suited for the
job at hand, isn't.  For a project where people come and go, black
boxes might hide a lot about bad design and implementation.

In particular, changing an algorithm to require different black boxes
is something that is very unpleasant to do.

Having everything in the open is an advantage as long as the
complexity to be managed is at a reasonable level.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-23  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-22 10:42 C++ *for Git* Dmitry Kakurin
2007-09-22 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 12:48 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-09-22 15:23   ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23  4:54     ` Dmitry Kakurin
2007-09-22 15:15 ` Kyle Rose
2007-09-22 18:08   ` Miles Bader
2007-09-22 18:25     ` [OT] " Kyle Rose
2007-09-22 19:11       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 22:50       ` Alex Unleashed
2007-09-23  2:09         ` Frank Lichtenheld
2007-09-23  6:25           ` David Brown
2007-09-23  7:23             ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-09-23  9:29               ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23  9:42                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23  9:50                   ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 10:45                 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-23 13:42                   ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 14:23                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-23 14:45                       ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 14:37                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 15:15                       ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 17:49                       ` Paul Franz
2007-09-23 16:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-23 18:05                       ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 18:30                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 18:43                           ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 19:11                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 21:22                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-09-23 21:31                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 23:10                           ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-09-23 22:25                         ` Reece Dunn
2007-09-24 10:46                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-09-22 22:24   ` Martin Langhoff

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