From: Paul Franz <thefranz@comcast.net>
To: Git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: C++ *for Git*
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:49:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46F6A73A.3010203@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85zlzdo3ch.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
To me the methods that an OO class defines is the same thing as an API.
And you can screw up an API whether it is C++ or C. Both give you the
same opportunity to screw up the model and create code that needs to be
re-written.
Paul Franz
David Kastrup wrote:
> "Marco Costalba" <mcostalba@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> On 9/23/07, Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> Object oriented languages creates black boxes: that's the reason
>>>> why object oriented exsists and also the reason why Linus hates
>>>> it ;-)
>>>>
>
>
>>> So please stop with this myth. And don't speak for people, I would
>>> be very surprised that Linus would dislike "black
>>> boxes". Abstractions are good, when used wisely, and I would be
>>> much surprised to see Linus pretend otherwise.
>>>
>> From a Linus recent thread:
>>
>>
>>> In other words, the only way to do good, efficient, and system-level
>>> and portable C++ ends up to limit yourself to all the things that
>>> are basically available in C. And limiting your project to C means
>>> that people don't screw that up, and also means that you get a lot
>>> of programmers that do actually understand low-level issues and
>>> don't screw things up with any idiotic "object model" crap.
>>>
>> Perhaps I have misunderstood, but the idea I got is that for Linus
>> OO brings in more problems than what it tries to fix.
>>
>
> I read that as OO bringing in more programmers capable of creating
> problems than those capable of fixing them.
>
> It is not the fault of OO in itself, but it is the bottom line that
> counts: if it draws the wrong audience for the wrong reasons, it
> better had great benefits to offset that. Not quite unsimilar with
> communism: the idea is great in principle, but the idea has no
> built-in self-check. Capitalism, in contrast, is a distasteful idea
> at its heart, but it is rooted soundly in individual egoism. Which
> does not make it any less distasteful, but at least it tends to work.
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-23 17:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-22 10:42 C++ *for Git* Dmitry Kakurin
2007-09-22 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 12:48 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-09-22 15:23 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 4:54 ` Dmitry Kakurin
2007-09-22 15:15 ` Kyle Rose
2007-09-22 18:08 ` Miles Bader
2007-09-22 18:25 ` [OT] " Kyle Rose
2007-09-22 19:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 22:50 ` Alex Unleashed
2007-09-23 2:09 ` Frank Lichtenheld
2007-09-23 6:25 ` David Brown
2007-09-23 7:23 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 9:29 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 9:42 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 9:50 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 10:45 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-23 13:42 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 14:23 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-09-23 14:45 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 14:37 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 15:15 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 17:49 ` Paul Franz [this message]
2007-09-23 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-23 18:05 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 18:30 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 18:43 ` Marco Costalba
2007-09-23 19:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 21:22 ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-09-23 21:31 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 23:10 ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-09-23 22:25 ` Reece Dunn
2007-09-24 10:46 ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-09-22 22:24 ` Martin Langhoff
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