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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] fix git-config with duplicate variable entries
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:46:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vehjm20yu.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121121192738.GA16280@sigill.intra.peff.net> (Jeff King's message of "Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:27:39 -0500")

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

>> The way for the Porcelain scripts to mimick the internal "last one
>> wins" has been to grab values out of --get-all and do the "last one
>> wins" themselves, and I agree that a mode that frees them from
>> having to worry about it is a good *addition*.  I would even say
>> that if we were designing "git config" plumbing without existing
>> users, it would be the only sensible behaviour for "--get".
>> 
>> But "git config --get" users have been promised to get errors on
>> duplicate values so far, so I have to say this needs to come with a
>> big red sign about API breakage.
>
> The problem is that scripts currently using "--get" are broken by
> duplicate entries in include files, whereas internal git handles them
> just fine.  Introducing a new switch means that everybody also has to
> start using it.

Not exactly.  There are three classes of people:

 - wrote scripts using --get; found out that --get barfs if you feed
   two or more of the same, and have long learned to accept it as a
   limitation and adjusted their configuration files to avoid it.
   They have been doing just fine and wouldn't benefit from this
   series at all.

 - wrote scripts using --get, relying on it barfing if fed zero
   (i.e. missing) or two or more (i.e. ambiguous), perhaps a way to
   keep their configuration files (arguably unnecessarily) clean.
   They are directly harmed by this series.

 - wrote scripts using --get-all and did the last-one-wins
   themselves.  They wouldn't benefit directly from this series,
   unless they are willing to spend a bit of time to remove their
   own last-one-wins logic and replace --get-all with --get (but the
   same effort is needed to migrate to --get-one).

 - wanted to write scripts using --get, but after finding out that
   it barfs if you feed two, gave up emulating the internal, without
   realizing that they could do so with --get-all.  They can now
   write their scripts without using --get-all.

The only people who benefit are from the last class; it does not
matter if they have to write --get-one or --get.

> That is not an excuse for breakage, of course, but only a motivation for
> considering it. And here is what I think mitigates that breakage:
>
>   1. If you are a script that cares about multiple values and choosing
>      one (whether last-one-wins or otherwise), you are already using
>      --get-all and are not affected.

Correct.

>   2. If you are a script that only wants to mimic how get retrieves
>      a single value, then this is a bug fix, as it brings "--get" in
>      line with git's internal use.

But by definition, no such script exists (if it used "--get", it
didn't mimic the internal in the first place).

>   3. If you are a script that only wants a single value, but cares about
>      duplicates, you are already failing to notice them when the
>      duplicates are cross-file. That is, we already do "last one wins"
>      if an entry is found in ~/.gitconfig and .git/config.

Yeah, so the only ones that can be harmed is a config lint that uses
the --get option with --file to make sure variables they know must
be single value are indeed so, and they are not doing a thorough
job, unless they are checking across files themselves, at which
point they are better off using --get-all piped to "sort | uniq -c"
or something.  So breakages do not matter much for correctly written
scripts.

> I would argue that anybody fetching standard git config variables (and
> not using --list or --get-all) falls into case (2) and is being fixed,
> as they will not otherwise match the behavior of git itself.

As people shove random stuff that git itself does not care about in
their config files, they may not care, though.

> IOW, I do not see a legitimate use case for this, but see it as an extra
> check on broken config.

Yes, I agree with the latter half of that sentence.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-21 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-22 15:55 The config include mechanism doesn't allow for overwriting Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-10-22 21:15 ` Jeff King
2012-10-23 14:13   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-10-23 22:35     ` [PATCH 0/8] fix git-config with duplicate variable entries Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:35       ` [PATCH 1/8] t1300: style updates Jeff King
2012-10-24  6:33         ` Johannes Sixt
2012-10-24  6:37           ` Jeff King
2012-10-24  7:07             ` [PATCHv2 " Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:36       ` [PATCH 2/8] t1300: remove redundant test Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:36       ` [PATCH 3/8] t1300: test "git config --get-all" more thoroughly Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:36       ` [PATCH 4/8] git-config: remove memory leak of key regexp Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:38       ` [PATCH 5/8] git-config: fix regexp memory leaks on error conditions Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:40       ` [PATCH 6/8] git-config: collect values instead of immediately printing Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:41       ` [PATCH 7/8] git-config: do not complain about duplicate entries Jeff King
2012-10-23 22:41       ` [PATCH 8/8] git-config: use git_config_with_options Jeff King
2012-10-24  6:33         ` Johannes Sixt
2012-10-24 19:14           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-11-20 19:08       ` [PATCH 0/8] fix git-config with duplicate variable entries Junio C Hamano
2012-11-21 19:27         ` Jeff King
2012-11-21 19:46           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2012-11-21 20:06             ` Jeff King
2012-11-21 20:42               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-11-23 10:37             ` Joachim Schmitz
2012-10-24  0:46     ` The config include mechanism doesn't allow for overwriting John Szakmeister
2012-10-24  0:51       ` Jeff King

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