The GitTogether

The GitTogether

[Scott Chacon]

For the last few years, there has been a gathering of Gitty people in
Mountain View directly following the GSoC Mentor Summit that is
referred to as a GitTogether:

https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitTogether

A few of us have been talking about what we would like to do this year
and thinking about the gatherings the past few years and how we could
get the most out of it.

I would like to see two different gatherings this year - one that
would be user-centric to gather people that use Git together with some
of the developers and talk about Git from a user's perspective.  The
other event I would like to see would be a gathering of many of the
core Git developers in a sort of hacker summit.

GitHub would like to volunteer to organize and pay for these events
this year.  I would like to hold the developer-centric one in Berlin
in early October (a few weeks before the Mentor Summit this time) and
the user one in January or February of next year.

The general idea of the developer one in October would be to get 30-40
people who work directly on Git core, JGit and libgit2 (or closely
related projects) together to discuss core issues, new features, etc.
GitHub can help with travel and lodging for participants who need it,
but attendance would be limited to people actually working on Git the
most.  Similar to some of the earlier GitTogethers.

The user conference early next year would be held in San Francisco or
nearby and would be a chance for people using Git to share how they're
using it, what they would like to see, etc.  I would expect to host
far more people at this - closer to 100, something like the last
GitTogether.

I'm working on putting together websites for the two events for
registration, schedule and to gather topics that should be discussed.
I am planning on having the talks recorded and put online as well. I
wanted to get some general feedback from the ML about what they think
about this plan before I finalized everything though.

For those of you who *have* been to a GitTogether, what did you find
useful and/or useless about it?  What did you get out of it and would
like to see again?  For those of you who have never been, what do you
think would be useful?  I was thinking for both of them to have a
combination of short prepared talks, lightning/unconference style
talks and general discussion / breakout sessions.

Finally, is there any feedback on the times and places - especially
the Berlin one. If nobody can agree on a better specific time, I'll
push forward with early October in Berlin, but if there is a concensus
around a different time, I'm fine moving it.

Scott

Re: The GitTogether

[Heiko Voigt]

Hi Scott,

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 03:28:00PM -0700, Scott Chacon wrote:
> For those of you who *have* been to a GitTogether, what did you find
> useful and/or useless about it?  What did you get out of it and would
> like to see again?  For those of you who have never been, what do you
> think would be useful?  I was thinking for both of them to have a
> combination of short prepared talks, lightning/unconference style
> talks and general discussion / breakout sessions.

IMO, the last GitTogethers had the right mixture between talks, breakout
sessions and free space for personal discussions.

The only thing that currently comes to my mind which could improve is
the long physical distance between conference, accommodation and evening
dining location. Shorter distances could probably be achieved more
easily in Berlin.

The most important thing for me were the direct discussions with other
developers.

> Finally, is there any feedback on the times and places - especially
> the Berlin one. If nobody can agree on a better specific time, I'll
> push forward with early October in Berlin, but if there is a concensus
> around a different time, I'm fine moving it.

I like the Berlin idea. I did not plan to attend the GitTogether this
year but if it was in Berlin I would do so. Maybe this is similar for
others that are not able to make the long way to Mountain View.

Cheers Heiko

Re: The GitTogether

[Thomas Rast]

Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> writes:

> GitHub would like to volunteer to organize and pay for these events
> this year.  I would like to hold the developer-centric one in Berlin
> in early October

Yay, Berlin!  I would be glad to join there; I would probably not have
the time and resources to travel to SF this year.

> For those of you who *have* been to a GitTogether, what did you find
> useful and/or useless about it?  What did you get out of it and would
> like to see again?  For those of you who have never been, what do you
> think would be useful?  I was thinking for both of them to have a
> combination of short prepared talks, lightning/unconference style
> talks and general discussion / breakout sessions.

I was at the 2010 GitTogether in Mountain View.  I really liked the
unconference format, and the way Shawn and Junio used it: just using the
topic stickers as a sort of todo-list, not actually fixing any schedule
in advance.  Oddly enough we also managed to avoid the usual consequence
of open-ended discussions: getting stuck endlessly on an absolutely
insignificant point.

I think the discussions were very productive.  I would love to do more
hacking than we managed in 2010, but I realize that this is not possible
if we just meet for 2-3 days.  Perhaps one option would be to plan for
1-2 days of hacking after the discussion rounds, so that the interested
people can stay a bit longer?

-- 
Thomas Rast
trast@{inf,student}.ethz.ch

Re: The GitTogether

[Jens Lehmann]

Am 27.07.2012 13:45, schrieb Thomas Rast:
> Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> GitHub would like to volunteer to organize and pay for these events
>> this year.  I would like to hold the developer-centric one in Berlin
>> in early October
> 
> Yay, Berlin!  I would be glad to join there; I would probably not have
> the time and resources to travel to SF this year.

Same here.

>> For those of you who *have* been to a GitTogether, what did you find
>> useful and/or useless about it?  What did you get out of it and would
>> like to see again?  For those of you who have never been, what do you
>> think would be useful?  I was thinking for both of them to have a
>> combination of short prepared talks, lightning/unconference style
>> talks and general discussion / breakout sessions.
> 
> I was at the 2010 GitTogether in Mountain View.  I really liked the
> unconference format, and the way Shawn and Junio used it: just using the
> topic stickers as a sort of todo-list, not actually fixing any schedule
> in advance.  Oddly enough we also managed to avoid the usual consequence
> of open-ended discussions: getting stuck endlessly on an absolutely
> insignificant point.

Yup, the unconference format with both common and breakout sessions
worked really well.

> I think the discussions were very productive.  I would love to do more
> hacking than we managed in 2010, but I realize that this is not possible
> if we just meet for 2-3 days.  Perhaps one option would be to plan for
> 1-2 days of hacking after the discussion rounds, so that the interested
> people can stay a bit longer?

I really like that idea and would vote for 3-4 days (maybe including a
weekend for those of us who have to take a leave from work ;-).

Re: The GitTogether

[Michael J Gruber]

Jens Lehmann venit, vidit, dixit 29.07.2012 17:55:
> Am 27.07.2012 13:45, schrieb Thomas Rast:
>> Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> GitHub would like to volunteer to organize and pay for these events
>>> this year.  I would like to hold the developer-centric one in Berlin
>>> in early October

Winter term classes start 10/15. Before 10/15 it will be easier to book
university rooms if we need that.

>>
>> Yay, Berlin!  I would be glad to join there; I would probably not have
>> the time and resources to travel to SF this year.
> 
> Same here.

Same.

Do we have contacts regarding (un)conference rooms in Berlin already? I
might be able to ask around.

> 
>>> For those of you who *have* been to a GitTogether, what did you find
>>> useful and/or useless about it?  What did you get out of it and would
>>> like to see again?  For those of you who have never been, what do you
>>> think would be useful?  I was thinking for both of them to have a
>>> combination of short prepared talks, lightning/unconference style
>>> talks and general discussion / breakout sessions.
>>
>> I was at the 2010 GitTogether in Mountain View.  I really liked the
>> unconference format, and the way Shawn and Junio used it: just using the
>> topic stickers as a sort of todo-list, not actually fixing any schedule
>> in advance.  Oddly enough we also managed to avoid the usual consequence
>> of open-ended discussions: getting stuck endlessly on an absolutely
>> insignificant point.
> 
> Yup, the unconference format with both common and breakout sessions
> worked really well.
> 
>> I think the discussions were very productive.  I would love to do more
>> hacking than we managed in 2010, but I realize that this is not possible
>> if we just meet for 2-3 days.  Perhaps one option would be to plan for
>> 1-2 days of hacking after the discussion rounds, so that the interested
>> people can stay a bit longer?
> 
> I really like that idea and would vote for 3-4 days (maybe including a
> weekend for those of us who have to take a leave from work ;-).
> 

Re: The GitTogether

[Michael J Gruber]

Michael J Gruber venit, vidit, dixit 30.07.2012 15:17:
> Jens Lehmann venit, vidit, dixit 29.07.2012 17:55:
>> Am 27.07.2012 13:45, schrieb Thomas Rast:
>>> Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> GitHub would like to volunteer to organize and pay for these events
>>>> this year.  I would like to hold the developer-centric one in Berlin
>>>> in early October
> 
> Winter term classes start 10/15. Before 10/15 it will be easier to book
> university rooms if we need that.
> 
>>>
>>> Yay, Berlin!  I would be glad to join there; I would probably not have
>>> the time and resources to travel to SF this year.
>>
>> Same here.
> 
> Same.
> 
> Do we have contacts regarding (un)conference rooms in Berlin already? I
> might be able to ask around.
> 
>>
>>>> For those of you who *have* been to a GitTogether, what did you find
>>>> useful and/or useless about it?  What did you get out of it and would
>>>> like to see again?  For those of you who have never been, what do you
>>>> think would be useful?  I was thinking for both of them to have a
>>>> combination of short prepared talks, lightning/unconference style
>>>> talks and general discussion / breakout sessions.
>>>
>>> I was at the 2010 GitTogether in Mountain View.  I really liked the
>>> unconference format, and the way Shawn and Junio used it: just using the
>>> topic stickers as a sort of todo-list, not actually fixing any schedule
>>> in advance.  Oddly enough we also managed to avoid the usual consequence
>>> of open-ended discussions: getting stuck endlessly on an absolutely
>>> insignificant point.
>>
>> Yup, the unconference format with both common and breakout sessions
>> worked really well.
>>
>>> I think the discussions were very productive.  I would love to do more
>>> hacking than we managed in 2010, but I realize that this is not possible
>>> if we just meet for 2-3 days.  Perhaps one option would be to plan for
>>> 1-2 days of hacking after the discussion rounds, so that the interested
>>> people can stay a bit longer?
>>
>> I really like that idea and would vote for 3-4 days (maybe including a
>> weekend for those of us who have to take a leave from work ;-).

While the unconference format is successful, may I suggest a
track/topic: Especially if there's GitHub support and participation this
would be a good opportunity to discuss some GitHub specific issues in
person rather than via the list or support tickets. Two come to my mind:

1) GitHub for Git developers: I certainly don't suggest a change in
workflow for git.git, but you often hear Git developers say "we can't do
this or that on GitHub", and I think GitHub (and other projects using
GitHub) could benefit from the specific point of view and input of Git
developers to improve workflow support on GitHub.

2) git-scm.com: The old Git website and wiki certainly did not quite
meet GitHub's demands (e.g. reliability, looks), and git-scm.com
certainly does not quite meet the/all Git developers demands (e.g. list
discussion based decisions and actions, separation between the "free
project" and "business related content). In person it may be easier to
find a way forward which benefits all parts of the large and undefined
"Git community".

Cheers,
Michael

Re: The GitTogether

[Patrick Renaud]

Hi,

I am not sure to understand why having two physically disconnected
events, in time and in place. Personally I'd rather see one event,
maybe longer than the previous occurrences to accommodate for the user
and developer centric topics. Along this line, maybe it would be best
to begin the event with the user-centric topics for a couple of days
and then continue with a few more days for the core developers to
discuss how to implement the features highlighted by the user
community, as well as other topics of interest for core devs. The
users could decide to join the rest of the event and listen-in the
core dev topics, or go back home.

Sadly, I am not a core dev. However I do appreciate the close contact
the GitTogether event so far gave to development concerns. From a
user's standpoint being exposed to that was an eye opener, something
that is impossible when dealing with a proprietary solution provider.
Under the new proposed approach I am afraid that we would start seeing
the beginning of a formal separation between Git users: devs vs users.
And I would bet that core devs would stop showing up at the user event
and vice-versa, and thus create that continental divide that was so
far absent in the Git community, which contributes to making Git so
great.

Scott, I believe you and I discussed this at last year's GitTogether
and we both thought the time had come for a user event. But I am not a
fan of making two completely disconnected events the way it is
proposed here. And as for Berlin vs Mountain View, my vote goes to
Mountain View but I'll go wherever the event is held.

On 9 August 2012 12:38, Michael J Gruber <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
> Michael J Gruber venit, vidit, dixit 30.07.2012 15:17:
>> Jens Lehmann venit, vidit, dixit 29.07.2012 17:55:
>>> Am 27.07.2012 13:45, schrieb Thomas Rast:
>>>> Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> GitHub would like to volunteer to organize and pay for these events
>>>>> this year.  I would like to hold the developer-centric one in Berlin
>>>>> in early October
>>
>> Winter term classes start 10/15. Before 10/15 it will be easier to book
>> university rooms if we need that.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Yay, Berlin!  I would be glad to join there; I would probably not have
>>>> the time and resources to travel to SF this year.
>>>
>>> Same here.
>>
>> Same.
>>
>> Do we have contacts regarding (un)conference rooms in Berlin already? I
>> might be able to ask around.
>>
>>>
>>>>> For those of you who *have* been to a GitTogether, what did you find
>>>>> useful and/or useless about it?  What did you get out of it and would
>>>>> like to see again?  For those of you who have never been, what do you
>>>>> think would be useful?  I was thinking for both of them to have a
>>>>> combination of short prepared talks, lightning/unconference style
>>>>> talks and general discussion / breakout sessions.
>>>>
>>>> I was at the 2010 GitTogether in Mountain View.  I really liked the
>>>> unconference format, and the way Shawn and Junio used it: just using the
>>>> topic stickers as a sort of todo-list, not actually fixing any schedule
>>>> in advance.  Oddly enough we also managed to avoid the usual consequence
>>>> of open-ended discussions: getting stuck endlessly on an absolutely
>>>> insignificant point.
>>>
>>> Yup, the unconference format with both common and breakout sessions
>>> worked really well.
>>>
>>>> I think the discussions were very productive.  I would love to do more
>>>> hacking than we managed in 2010, but I realize that this is not possible
>>>> if we just meet for 2-3 days.  Perhaps one option would be to plan for
>>>> 1-2 days of hacking after the discussion rounds, so that the interested
>>>> people can stay a bit longer?
>>>
>>> I really like that idea and would vote for 3-4 days (maybe including a
>>> weekend for those of us who have to take a leave from work ;-).
>
> While the unconference format is successful, may I suggest a
> track/topic: Especially if there's GitHub support and participation this
> would be a good opportunity to discuss some GitHub specific issues in
> person rather than via the list or support tickets. Two come to my mind:
>
> 1) GitHub for Git developers: I certainly don't suggest a change in
> workflow for git.git, but you often hear Git developers say "we can't do
> this or that on GitHub", and I think GitHub (and other projects using
> GitHub) could benefit from the specific point of view and input of Git
> developers to improve workflow support on GitHub.
>
> 2) git-scm.com: The old Git website and wiki certainly did not quite
> meet GitHub's demands (e.g. reliability, looks), and git-scm.com
> certainly does not quite meet the/all Git developers demands (e.g. list
> discussion based decisions and actions, separation between the "free
> project" and "business related content). In person it may be easier to
> find a way forward which benefits all parts of the large and undefined
> "Git community".
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
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-Patrick

Re: The GitTogether

[Junio C Hamano]

Patrick Renaud <prenaud76@gmail.com> writes:

> I am not sure to understand why having two physically disconnected
> events, in time and in place. Personally I'd rather see one event,
> maybe longer than the previous occurrences to accommodate for the user
> and developer centric topics.

I think a separate event at a venue on different continent was
proposed primarily to avoid "annual GitTogether always at Mountain
View" that has been unfriendly to our European friends (mitigated
somewhat by having it immediately after GSoC mentor summit).  I
agree it may be a better solution to that issue to move the two
things to the same venue that moves from year to year.

The kernel folks have the (by invitation only) Kernel Summit
immediately before the wider end user conference at the same place,
which used to be always Ottawa but the venue moves around from year
to year these days.  That is something we could learn from them.

Re: The GitTogether

[Michael Haggerty]

On 07/27/2012 12:28 AM, Scott Chacon wrote:
> [...]
> I would like to see two different gatherings this year - one that
> would be user-centric to gather people that use Git together with some
> of the developers and talk about Git from a user's perspective.  The
> other event I would like to see would be a gathering of many of the
> core Git developers in a sort of hacker summit.
> 
> GitHub would like to volunteer to organize and pay for these events
> this year.  I would like to hold the developer-centric one in Berlin
> in early October (a few weeks before the Mentor Summit this time) and
> the user one in January or February of next year.
> [...]

Is there any news about the proposed gatherings?  I would be quite
interested in attending the developer meeting.  October is just around
the corner...what's up?

Michael

-- 
Michael Haggerty
mhagger@alum.mit.edu
http://softwareswirl.blogspot.com/

Re: The GitTogether

[Sebastian Schuberth]

On 19.09.2012 15:43, Michael Haggerty wrote:

> Is there any news about the proposed gatherings?  I would be quite
> interested in attending the developer meeting.  October is just around
> the corner...what's up?

I'm also very much interested in attending a gathering Berlin, though 
preferably not in the first week of October. As I'm a local, I could 
probably also help with finding a location if necessary.

-- 
Sebastian Schuberth

Re: The GitTogether

[Christian Couder]

Hi,

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Sebastian Schuberth
<sschuberth@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19.09.2012 15:43, Michael Haggerty wrote:
>
>> Is there any news about the proposed gatherings?  I would be quite
>> interested in attending the developer meeting.  October is just around
>> the corner...what's up?
>
>
> I'm also very much interested in attending a gathering Berlin, though
> preferably not in the first week of October. As I'm a local, I could
> probably also help with finding a location if necessary.

In this thread:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/repo-discuss/_MCrS4FjZak

there is a message by Shawn with the following:

-------------------------------------------

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Luca Milanesio
<luca.mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have info about the next GitTogether 2012 ?

Google is not hosting GitTogether this year. There may be a Git
gathering in the EU sometime early next year, organized by GitHub.

> (candidate dates ? place ? # of days ?)
>
> We should plan flights, (and possibly hackathons) in advance in order to get maximum availability :-)

Instead... Google is looking into hosting a 2 day Gerrit user
conference followed immediately by a Gerrit developer hackathon in
early November. Nothing concrete yet, but we are working on it, and
trying to make sure we have enough lead time for people to book an
affordable flight.

-------------------------------------------

It is sad that people who know what is or what is not happening are
not taking care of letting people on this list know about it...

Best,
Christian.

Re: The GitTogether

[Shawn Pearce]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Christian Couder
<christian.couder@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Sebastian Schuberth
> <sschuberth@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 19.09.2012 15:43, Michael Haggerty wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any news about the proposed gatherings?  I would be quite
>>> interested in attending the developer meeting.  October is just around
>>> the corner...what's up?
>>
>>
>> I'm also very much interested in attending a gathering Berlin, though
>> preferably not in the first week of October. As I'm a local, I could
>> probably also help with finding a location if necessary.
>
> In this thread:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/repo-discuss/_MCrS4FjZak
>
> there is a message by Shawn with the following:
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Luca Milanesio
> <luca.mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have info about the next GitTogether 2012 ?
>
> Google is not hosting GitTogether this year. There may be a Git
> gathering in the EU sometime early next year, organized by GitHub.
>
>> (candidate dates ? place ? # of days ?)
>>
>> We should plan flights, (and possibly hackathons) in advance in order to get maximum availability :-)
>
> Instead... Google is looking into hosting a 2 day Gerrit user
> conference followed immediately by a Gerrit developer hackathon in
> early November. Nothing concrete yet, but we are working on it, and
> trying to make sure we have enough lead time for people to book an
> affordable flight.
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> It is sad that people who know what is or what is not happening are
> not taking care of letting people on this list know about it...

I did not post to this mailing list about the Gerrit Code Review user
summit because I did not consider it to be on-topic to this list. We
do not normally discuss Gerrit Code Review here. Most users and
developers on this list only work on git-core (aka git.git aka the
thing Junio maintains). Gerrit... is a different animal. :-)

If you are interested in attending, it is Saturday November 10th and
Sunday 11th in Mountain View, CA. The user summit is invite only, but
you may request an invitation at http://goo.gl/5HYlB.


I have no further information about the potential GitTogether than
anyone else. IIRC there is a suggestion in this thread about hosting
something in the EU sometime in early next year, with someone at
GitHub acting as organizer.

Google chose to run only a Gerrit user summit this year because of the
mix of attendees at the last GitTogether. The group was about 60-70%
Gerrit users/admins. We felt it was time to host something specific
for that audience.

Re: The GitTogether

[Jeff King]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 07:05:53AM -0700, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:

> I have no further information about the potential GitTogether than
> anyone else. IIRC there is a suggestion in this thread about hosting
> something in the EU sometime in early next year, with someone at
> GitHub acting as organizer.

Scott Chacon was looking into it, but the last I heard he was having
trouble finding a good venue in Berlin in late October (a lot of places
he was trying were booked). I don't know there that's at; he's actually
been on vacation for the past week or two, so I'm hoping to hear
something soon.

I'm not sure if this planning delay will bump the date back a little.
But nobody is talking because nobody knows yet what is going on or when,
and something will eventually happen. I will keep poking at Scott until
it does.

-Peff

Re: The GitTogether

[Scott Chacon]

Hey,

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Christian Couder
<christian.couder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there any news about the proposed gatherings?  I would be quite
>>> interested in attending the developer meeting.  October is just around
>>> the corner...what's up?
>>

So basically I have been trying to secure a venue that would be nice
to do this in during October and I've had a horrible time doing it.
I've enlisted the help of someone in Berlin now, since all the places
I personally know and have contacted are sold out or have unreasonable
requirements.

Since I've let it get so close to the original proposed time, I'm
going to push it back until early next year and we can do two
conferences close to each other around Feb or March - 1 in the EU
(Berlin) and one in the US (probably in the SF Bay Area).  I'll get a
website up and running with details asap so people can start planning.

>> I'm also very much interested in attending a gathering Berlin, though
>> preferably not in the first week of October. As I'm a local, I could
>> probably also help with finding a location if necessary.

If you would like, I would love to get you in contact with the
GitHubber in Berlin who is helping to secure a venue there so you can
help.

I'm sorry about the opaque communication here, I'll try to be better
about keeping the list up to date on what the current GitTogether
situation is.  Right now it's moved back to early next year so
everyone has enough time.

If people are going to be in town for the Google Mentor Summit,
however, we would love to throw another drinkup in Mountain View for
the Git devs that are here for that, and the Gerrit guys too.

Scott

Re: The GitTogether

[Sebastian Schuberth]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I'm also very much interested in attending a gathering Berlin, though
>>> preferably not in the first week of October. As I'm a local, I could
>>> probably also help with finding a location if necessary.
>
> If you would like, I would love to get you in contact with the
> GitHubber in Berlin who is helping to secure a venue there so you can
> help.

Sure, feel free to forward him / her my email address. I'm surprised
to hear that you had so much trouble finding / booking a location. For
example, I would have expected one of the many co-working locations in
Berlin [1] to be a good fit.

[1] http://www.coworking.de/regions/1-berlin

-- 
Sebastian Schuberth

Re: The GitTogether

[Christian Couder]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Christian Couder
>
>> It is sad that people who know what is or what is not happening are
>> not taking care of letting people on this list know about it...
>
> I did not post to this mailing list about the Gerrit Code Review user
> summit because I did not consider it to be on-topic to this list. We
> do not normally discuss Gerrit Code Review here. Most users and
> developers on this list only work on git-core (aka git.git aka the
> thing Junio maintains). Gerrit... is a different animal. :-)

It would have been nice if you had said earlier on this list/thread
that Google chose to host a Gerrit user summit instead of the
traditional GitTogether.

> If you are interested in attending, it is Saturday November 10th and
> Sunday 11th in Mountain View, CA. The user summit is invite only, but
> you may request an invitation at http://goo.gl/5HYlB.

Thanks for the information. I think it is indeed interesting to know about it.

> I have no further information about the potential GitTogether than
> anyone else. IIRC there is a suggestion in this thread about hosting
> something in the EU sometime in early next year, with someone at
> GitHub acting as organizer.

Before I posted what you wrote on the Gerrit mailing list, the only
information people had on this list/thread was about a GitHub proposal
to organize 2 different GitTogether: "the developer-centric one in
Berlin
in early October (a few weeks before the Mentor Summit this time) and
the user one in January or February of next year."

> Google chose to run only a Gerrit user summit this year because of the
> mix of attendees at the last GitTogether. The group was about 60-70%
> Gerrit users/admins. We felt it was time to host something specific
> for that audience.

Gerrit users/admins are probably Git users/admins too. But anyway, it
is ok of course for Google to organize whatever it prefers.
I hope GitHub will do as good a job running a GitTogether as Google did.

Thanks,
Christian.

Re: The GitTogether

[Patrick Renaud]

Guys,

Are we still talking of having two disconnected events for Git, one
for core devs and one for users?

-Patrick

On 21 September 2012 11:23, Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Christian Couder
>>
>>> It is sad that people who know what is or what is not happening are
>>> not taking care of letting people on this list know about it...
>>
>> I did not post to this mailing list about the Gerrit Code Review user
>> summit because I did not consider it to be on-topic to this list. We
>> do not normally discuss Gerrit Code Review here. Most users and
>> developers on this list only work on git-core (aka git.git aka the
>> thing Junio maintains). Gerrit... is a different animal. :-)
>
> It would have been nice if you had said earlier on this list/thread
> that Google chose to host a Gerrit user summit instead of the
> traditional GitTogether.
>
>> If you are interested in attending, it is Saturday November 10th and
>> Sunday 11th in Mountain View, CA. The user summit is invite only, but
>> you may request an invitation at http://goo.gl/5HYlB.
>
> Thanks for the information. I think it is indeed interesting to know about it.
>
>> I have no further information about the potential GitTogether than
>> anyone else. IIRC there is a suggestion in this thread about hosting
>> something in the EU sometime in early next year, with someone at
>> GitHub acting as organizer.
>
> Before I posted what you wrote on the Gerrit mailing list, the only
> information people had on this list/thread was about a GitHub proposal
> to organize 2 different GitTogether: "the developer-centric one in
> Berlin
> in early October (a few weeks before the Mentor Summit this time) and
> the user one in January or February of next year."
>
>> Google chose to run only a Gerrit user summit this year because of the
>> mix of attendees at the last GitTogether. The group was about 60-70%
>> Gerrit users/admins. We felt it was time to host something specific
>> for that audience.
>
> Gerrit users/admins are probably Git users/admins too. But anyway, it
> is ok of course for Google to organize whatever it prefers.
> I hope GitHub will do as good a job running a GitTogether as Google did.
>
> Thanks,
> Christian.

Re: The GitTogether

[Scott Chacon]

Actually, responding to some of the feedback I've been getting, I'm
thinking of having a single day of just core developers and then a day
or two of users, or vice versa, but doing them together in a single
event.  Then just doing that same pattern in both the EU and the US.

Scott

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Patrick Renaud <prenaud76@gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Are we still talking of having two disconnected events for Git, one
> for core devs and one for users?
>
> -Patrick
>
> On 21 September 2012 11:23, Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Christian Couder
>>>
>>>> It is sad that people who know what is or what is not happening are
>>>> not taking care of letting people on this list know about it...
>>>
>>> I did not post to this mailing list about the Gerrit Code Review user
>>> summit because I did not consider it to be on-topic to this list. We
>>> do not normally discuss Gerrit Code Review here. Most users and
>>> developers on this list only work on git-core (aka git.git aka the
>>> thing Junio maintains). Gerrit... is a different animal. :-)
>>
>> It would have been nice if you had said earlier on this list/thread
>> that Google chose to host a Gerrit user summit instead of the
>> traditional GitTogether.
>>
>>> If you are interested in attending, it is Saturday November 10th and
>>> Sunday 11th in Mountain View, CA. The user summit is invite only, but
>>> you may request an invitation at http://goo.gl/5HYlB.
>>
>> Thanks for the information. I think it is indeed interesting to know about it.
>>
>>> I have no further information about the potential GitTogether than
>>> anyone else. IIRC there is a suggestion in this thread about hosting
>>> something in the EU sometime in early next year, with someone at
>>> GitHub acting as organizer.
>>
>> Before I posted what you wrote on the Gerrit mailing list, the only
>> information people had on this list/thread was about a GitHub proposal
>> to organize 2 different GitTogether: "the developer-centric one in
>> Berlin
>> in early October (a few weeks before the Mentor Summit this time) and
>> the user one in January or February of next year."
>>
>>> Google chose to run only a Gerrit user summit this year because of the
>>> mix of attendees at the last GitTogether. The group was about 60-70%
>>> Gerrit users/admins. We felt it was time to host something specific
>>> for that audience.
>>
>> Gerrit users/admins are probably Git users/admins too. But anyway, it
>> is ok of course for Google to organize whatever it prefers.
>> I hope GitHub will do as good a job running a GitTogether as Google did.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christian.

Re: The GitTogether

[Patrick Renaud]

THAT would be awesome :-)

On 21 September 2012 12:45, Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, responding to some of the feedback I've been getting, I'm
> thinking of having a single day of just core developers and then a day
> or two of users, or vice versa, but doing them together in a single
> event.  Then just doing that same pattern in both the EU and the US.
>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Patrick Renaud <prenaud76@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Guys,
>>
>> Are we still talking of having two disconnected events for Git, one
>> for core devs and one for users?
>>
>> -Patrick
>>
>> On 21 September 2012 11:23, Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Christian Couder
>>>>
>>>>> It is sad that people who know what is or what is not happening are
>>>>> not taking care of letting people on this list know about it...
>>>>
>>>> I did not post to this mailing list about the Gerrit Code Review user
>>>> summit because I did not consider it to be on-topic to this list. We
>>>> do not normally discuss Gerrit Code Review here. Most users and
>>>> developers on this list only work on git-core (aka git.git aka the
>>>> thing Junio maintains). Gerrit... is a different animal. :-)
>>>
>>> It would have been nice if you had said earlier on this list/thread
>>> that Google chose to host a Gerrit user summit instead of the
>>> traditional GitTogether.
>>>
>>>> If you are interested in attending, it is Saturday November 10th and
>>>> Sunday 11th in Mountain View, CA. The user summit is invite only, but
>>>> you may request an invitation at http://goo.gl/5HYlB.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the information. I think it is indeed interesting to know about it.
>>>
>>>> I have no further information about the potential GitTogether than
>>>> anyone else. IIRC there is a suggestion in this thread about hosting
>>>> something in the EU sometime in early next year, with someone at
>>>> GitHub acting as organizer.
>>>
>>> Before I posted what you wrote on the Gerrit mailing list, the only
>>> information people had on this list/thread was about a GitHub proposal
>>> to organize 2 different GitTogether: "the developer-centric one in
>>> Berlin
>>> in early October (a few weeks before the Mentor Summit this time) and
>>> the user one in January or February of next year."
>>>
>>>> Google chose to run only a Gerrit user summit this year because of the
>>>> mix of attendees at the last GitTogether. The group was about 60-70%
>>>> Gerrit users/admins. We felt it was time to host something specific
>>>> for that audience.
>>>
>>> Gerrit users/admins are probably Git users/admins too. But anyway, it
>>> is ok of course for Google to organize whatever it prefers.
>>> I hope GitHub will do as good a job running a GitTogether as Google did.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christian.



-- 
-Patrick

Re: The GitTogether

[Luca Milanesio]

Agreed, that would be very nice.
For the EU location, I would personally sponsor London, possibly at some well-know location such as "Skills Matters"

Luca.

On 21 Sep 2012, at 17:55, Patrick Renaud <prenaud76@gmail.com> wrote:

> THAT would be awesome :-)
> 
> On 21 September 2012 12:45, Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually, responding to some of the feedback I've been getting, I'm
>> thinking of having a single day of just core developers and then a day
>> or two of users, or vice versa, but doing them together in a single
>> event.  Then just doing that same pattern in both the EU and the US.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Patrick Renaud <prenaud76@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> Are we still talking of having two disconnected events for Git, one
>>> for core devs and one for users?
>>> 
>>> -Patrick
>>> 
>>> On 21 September 2012 11:23, Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Christian Couder
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is sad that people who know what is or what is not happening are
>>>>>> not taking care of letting people on this list know about it...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did not post to this mailing list about the Gerrit Code Review user
>>>>> summit because I did not consider it to be on-topic to this list. We
>>>>> do not normally discuss Gerrit Code Review here. Most users and
>>>>> developers on this list only work on git-core (aka git.git aka the
>>>>> thing Junio maintains). Gerrit... is a different animal. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> It would have been nice if you had said earlier on this list/thread
>>>> that Google chose to host a Gerrit user summit instead of the
>>>> traditional GitTogether.
>>>> 
>>>>> If you are interested in attending, it is Saturday November 10th and
>>>>> Sunday 11th in Mountain View, CA. The user summit is invite only, but
>>>>> you may request an invitation at http://goo.gl/5HYlB.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the information. I think it is indeed interesting to know about it.
>>>> 
>>>>> I have no further information about the potential GitTogether than
>>>>> anyone else. IIRC there is a suggestion in this thread about hosting
>>>>> something in the EU sometime in early next year, with someone at
>>>>> GitHub acting as organizer.
>>>> 
>>>> Before I posted what you wrote on the Gerrit mailing list, the only
>>>> information people had on this list/thread was about a GitHub proposal
>>>> to organize 2 different GitTogether: "the developer-centric one in
>>>> Berlin
>>>> in early October (a few weeks before the Mentor Summit this time) and
>>>> the user one in January or February of next year."
>>>> 
>>>>> Google chose to run only a Gerrit user summit this year because of the
>>>>> mix of attendees at the last GitTogether. The group was about 60-70%
>>>>> Gerrit users/admins. We felt it was time to host something specific
>>>>> for that audience.
>>>> 
>>>> Gerrit users/admins are probably Git users/admins too. But anyway, it
>>>> is ok of course for Google to organize whatever it prefers.
>>>> I hope GitHub will do as good a job running a GitTogether as Google did.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Christian.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -Patrick
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Re: The GitTogether

[Michael J Gruber]

Sebastian Schuberth venit, vidit, dixit 21.09.2012 16:33:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> I'm also very much interested in attending a gathering Berlin,
>>>> though preferably not in the first week of October. As I'm a
>>>> local, I could probably also help with finding a location if
>>>> necessary.
>> 
>> If you would like, I would love to get you in contact with the 
>> GitHubber in Berlin who is helping to secure a venue there so you
>> can help.
> 
> Sure, feel free to forward him / her my email address. I'm surprised 
> to hear that you had so much trouble finding / booking a location.
> For example, I would have expected one of the many co-working
> locations in Berlin [1] to be a good fit.
> 
> [1] http://www.coworking.de/regions/1-berlin

Also, there are many academic institutions, and at least some might be
happy to host an event like this (I'm thinking especially of the Zuse
institute). I had offered to help with hooking up with them  several
weeks ago already. So, it's really just a matter of communication.

Michael

Re: The GitTogether

[Sebastian Schuberth]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Michael J Gruber
<git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:

> Also, there are many academic institutions, and at least some might be
> happy to host an event like this (I'm thinking especially of the Zuse
> institute). I had offered to help with hooking up with them  several
> weeks ago already. So, it's really just a matter of communication.

I had already contacted Steffen Prohaska from ZIB, but he was sorry to
say he would not able to host a GitTogether this time. But was when
the October time frame was still current. Maybe next year the
situation is different.

-- 
Sebastian Schuberth

Re: The GitTogether

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi,

> Also, there are many academic institutions, and at least some might
> be happy to host an event like this (I'm thinking especially of the Zuse
> institute). I had offered to help with hooking up with them  several
> weeks ago already. So, it's really just a matter of communication.

Yep. Another option could be Fraunhofer (we've got connections there),
or maybe Office-2.0 or Tempelhof Airport.

I've already triggered our business guys, they're quite interested.


cu
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