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From: David Greaves <david@dgreaves.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: I want to release a "git-1.0"
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:11:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <429B8FA0.1080903@dgreaves.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505301253070.1876@ppc970.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:

>So before I do a 1.0 release, I want to write some stupid git tutorial for
>a complete beginner that has only used CVS before, with a real example of
>how to use raw git, and along those lines I actually want the thing to
>show how to do something useful.
>
>So before I do that, is there something people think is just too hard for
>somebody coming from the CVS world to understand? I already realized that
>the "git-write-tree" + "git-commit-tree" interfaces were just _too_ hard
>to put into a sane tutorial.
>
>I was showing off raw git to Steve Chamberlain yesterday, and showing it
>to him made some things pretty obvious - one of them being that
>"git-init-db" really needed to set up the initial refs etc). So I wrote
>this silly "git-commit-script" to make it at least half-way palatable, but
>what else do people feel is "too hard"?
>
>I think I'll move the "cvs2git" script thing to git proper before the 1.0 
>release (again, in order to have the tutorial able to show what to do if 
>you already have an existing CVS tree), what else?
>  
>

It seems to me that a tutorial for end users is inappropriate.
You should be writing a tutorial for porcelain implementors :)

Anyway, a while back I split the commands into manipulation and
interrogation and then into ancillary commands and scripts. Do you
actually agree with this grouping?
http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html
It may help to position who should be doing what.

Also, if you're writing a git-init-script, it may be that you're simply
scripting common processes and could helpfully maintain consistency by
either pulling some of the really trivial Cogito scripts (cg-init,
cg-add, cg-rm) into the core 'ancillary' area or suggesting
modifications to Cogito as the current 'best of breed' implementation of
the low-level git usage process. Cogito also 'fixes' some useability
issues such as using "git-update-cache --add" == "cg-add"
I know you _can_ use git as an end user - but it seems that it's
designed to be used by plumbers.

Oh, I'd also like to see something along the lines of my cg-Xignore
before git hits 1.0

On the tutorial side - yesterday I started pulling together stuff from
the list about merging to complete the README where it says [ fixme:
talk about resolving merges here ]

I haven't done much other than collect some discussion from the list and
the text from git-read-tree.txt.
I do think this area needs more explanation as the whole 'stage' thing
is pretty alien to CVS.
I also noted a few people asking "so I did this merge - what do I do now?"

The working directory/cache/repository is also confusing sometimes -
especially when the cache and working-dir unexpectedly don't match.

I also see in my notes: "improve the docs around update-cache."

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-05-30 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-30 20:00 I want to release a "git-1.0" Linus Torvalds
2005-05-30 20:33 ` jeff millar
2005-05-30 20:49 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01  6:52   ` Junio C Hamano
2005-06-01  8:24     ` [PATCH] Add -d flag to git-pull-* family Junio C Hamano
2005-06-01 14:39       ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-01 16:00         ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]           ` <7v1x7lk8fl.fsf_-_@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
2005-06-02  0:47             ` [PATCH] Handle deltified object correctly in git-*-pull family Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]             ` <7vpsv5hbm5.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
2005-06-02  0:51               ` [PATCH] Stop inflating the whole SHA1 file only to check size Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-02  1:32                 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-06-02  0:58             ` [PATCH] Handle deltified object correctly in git-*-pull family Linus Torvalds
2005-06-02  1:43               ` Junio C Hamano
2005-05-30 20:59 ` I want to release a "git-1.0" Junio C Hamano
2005-05-30 21:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-05-30 22:11 ` David Greaves [this message]
2005-05-30 22:12 ` Dave Jones
2005-05-30 22:55   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30 23:15     ` Junio C Hamano
2005-05-30 23:23     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-31  0:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-30 22:19 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-05-31  0:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-30 22:32 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-05-30 23:56   ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-05-31  1:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-06-01  2:11     ` Junio C Hamano
2005-06-01  2:25       ` David Lang
2005-06-01  4:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-06-01 20:06           ` David Lang
2005-06-01 20:16             ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-06-02  0:43               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-02  1:14                 ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-06-01 23:03             ` Junio C Hamano
2005-05-31  0:19 ` Petr Baudis
2005-05-31 13:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-06-01  3:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-06-01  4:06     ` Junio C Hamano
2005-06-02 23:54       ` [PATCH] Fix -B "very-different" logic Junio C Hamano
2005-06-03  0:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-06-03  1:33           ` Junio C Hamano
2005-06-03  8:32             ` [PATCH 0/4] " Junio C Hamano
2005-06-03  8:36               ` [PATCH 1/4] Tweak count-delta interface Junio C Hamano
2005-06-03  8:36               ` [PATCH 2/4] diff: Fix docs and add -O to diff-helper Junio C Hamano
2005-06-03  8:37               ` [PATCH 3/4] diff: Clean up diff_scoreopt_parse() Junio C Hamano
2005-06-03  8:40               ` [PATCH 4/4] diff: Update -B heuristics Junio C Hamano
2005-06-01  6:28     ` I want to release a "git-1.0" Junio C Hamano
2005-06-01 22:00     ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-06-01 23:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2005-06-03  9:47       ` Petr Baudis
2005-06-03 15:09         ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-06-02  7:15     ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-06-02  8:32       ` Kay Sievers
2005-06-02 14:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-06-02 12:02     ` [PATCH] several typos in tutorial Alexey Nezhdanov
2005-06-02 12:41       ` Vincent Hanquez
2005-06-02 12:45         ` Alexey Nezhdanov
2005-06-02 12:51           ` Vincent Hanquez
2005-06-02 12:56             ` Alexey Nezhdanov
2005-06-02 13:00             ` Alexey Nezhdanov
2005-06-02 23:40     ` I want to release a "git-1.0" Adam Kropelin
2005-06-03  0:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-06-03  0:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-06-03  1:34           ` Adam Kropelin
2005-06-02 19:43 ` CVS migration section to the tutorial Junio C Hamano

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