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From: Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Zygo Blaxell <zblaxell@esightcorp.com>,
	Ilari Liusvaara <ilari.liusvaara@elisanet.fi>,
	Thomas Rast <trast@student.ethz.ch>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] don't use mmap() to hash files
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:23:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37fcd2781002150423n36378105t9bee9c0e5106ca4c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1002142328310.1946@xanadu.home>

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dmitry Potapov wrote:
>
>> 1. to introduce a configuration parameter that will define whether to use
>> mmap() to hash files or not. It is a trivial change, but the real question
>> is what default value for this option (should we do some heuristic based
>> on filesize vs available memory?)
>
> I don't like such kind of heuristic.  They're almost always wrong, and
> any issue is damn hard to reproduce. I tend to believe that mmap() works
> better by letting the OS paging in and out memory as needed while
> reading data into allocated memory is only going to force the system
> into swap.

Probably, you are right. Heuristic is a bad idea. Still, we may want to
add an option to disable mmap() during hash calculation if we preserve
mmap() here. Though, I don't like keeping mmap() there if we go for #2..
See below...

>
>> 2. to stream files in chunks. It is better because it is faster, especially on
>> large files, as you calculate SHA-1 and zip data while they are in CPU
>> cache. However, it may be more difficult to implement, because we have
>> filters that should be apply to files that are put to the repository.
>
> So?  "More difficult" when it is the right thing to do is no excuse not
> to do it and satisfy ourselves with an half solution.  Barely replacing
> mmap() with read() has drawbacks while the advantages aren't that many.
> Gaining a few speed percentage while making it less robust when memory
> is tight isn't such a great compromize to me.  BUT if you were to
> replace mmap() with read() and make the process chunked then you do
> improve both speed _and_ memory usage.

I have not had time to look closely at this, but there is one problem
that I noticed -- the header of any git object contains the blob length.
We know this length in advance (without reading all data) only for
regular files and only if they do not have any filter to be applied.
In all other cases, it seems we cannot do much better than we do now,
assuming that we do not want to change the storage format...

If so, the question remains what to do about regular files with some
filter. Currently, we use mmap() for the original data but store the
processed data in memory anyway. The question is whether want to keep
this use of mmap() here? Considering that it is a potential source of a
repository corruption and these filters should not be used for big files
because they take a lot of memory anyway, I think we should get rid of
mmap() in hashing file completely, once we can process regular files
without filters in chunks.


Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-15 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20100211234753.22574.48799.reportbug@gibbs.hungrycats.org>
2010-02-12  0:27 ` Bug#569505: git-core: 'git add' corrupts repository if the working directory is modified as it runs Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-12  1:23   ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-13 12:12     ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-13 13:39       ` Ilari Liusvaara
2010-02-13 14:39         ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-13 16:29           ` Ilari Liusvaara
2010-02-13 22:09             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-13 22:37               ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-14  1:18                 ` [PATCH] don't use mmap() to hash files Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14  1:37                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:18                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14  3:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14 11:14                         ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-14 11:46                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  1:53                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14  2:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:42                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 11:07                       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-02-14 11:55                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-14 18:10                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:06                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 19:22                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:28                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:56                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 23:52                                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-15  5:05                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15 12:23                                   ` Dmitry Potapov [this message]
2010-02-15  7:48                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-15 12:25                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 19:55                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 23:13                           ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15  4:16                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15  5:01                               ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15  5:48                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15 19:19                                   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15 19:29                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-14  3:05                   ` [PATCH v2] " Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-18  1:16                   ` [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  1:20                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 15:32                       ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19 17:51                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  1:38                     ` Jeff King
2010-02-18  4:55                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18  5:36                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  7:27                           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2010-02-18 16:18                             ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-18 18:12                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-18 18:35                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 12:59                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-22 13:33                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-18 10:14                     ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-18 18:16                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 19:58                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18 20:11                           ` 16 gig, 350,000 file repository Bill Lear
2010-02-18 20:58                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-19  9:27                               ` Erik Faye-Lund
2010-02-22 22:20                               ` Bill Lear
2010-02-22 22:31                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18 20:14                           ` [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid Peter Harris
2010-02-18 20:17                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 21:30                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-19  1:04                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-19 15:26                                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19 17:52                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-19 19:08                                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19  8:28                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-19 17:52                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-20 19:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-21  7:21                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-21 19:32                             ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22  3:35                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22  6:59                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 12:25                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 15:40                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 16:01                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 17:31                                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-22 18:01                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 19:56                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 20:52                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 18:05                                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 18:14                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-14  1:36   ` mmap with MAP_PRIVATE is useless (was Re: Bug#569505: git-core: 'git add' corrupts repository if the working directory is modified as it runs) Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-14  1:53     ` mmap with MAP_PRIVATE is useless Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:11       ` Paolo Bonzini

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