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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Zygo Blaxell <zblaxell@esightcorp.com>
Cc: Wincent Colaiuta <win@wincent.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com>,
	Ilari Liusvaara <ilari.liusvaara@elisanet.fi>,
	Thomas Rast <trast@student.ethz.ch>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:12:47 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100218181247.GA1052@progeny.tock> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100218161843.GB11733@gibbs.hungrycats.org>

Zygo Blaxell wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 08:27:28AM +0100, Wincent Colaiuta wrote:
>> Shouldn't a switch that hurts performance and is only needed for
>> insane use cases default to off rather than on?
>
> While I don't disagree that default off might(*) be a good idea,
> I do object to the categorization of this use case as 'insane'.

FWIW I think default off would not be a good idea.  This talk of
insane uses started from the idea that git is not so great for taking
automatic snapshots, but as you pointed out, other situations can
trigger this and the failure mode is pretty bad.

> (*) "might" be a good idea because there's been some evidence to suggest
> that a paranoid implementation of git add might perform better than the
> mmap-based one in all cases, if more work was done than anyone seems
> willing to do.

What you are saying here seems a bit handwavy.  If you have some
concrete ideas about what this paranoid implementation should look
like, I encourage you to write a rough patch.  The two patches so far
have indicated the relevant parts of sha1_file.c (index_fd at the
beginning and write_sha1_file at the end of the pipeline,
respectively).  Special cases include:

 - The blob being added to the repository is a special file (e.g.,
   pipe) specified on the 'git hash-object' command line: I think it’s
   fine if this is slow, but it should keep working.

 - The blob was generated in memory (e.g. 'git apply --cached').

 - autocrlf conversion is on.  This means scanning through the file to
   collect statistics on the dominant line ending, then scanning
   through again to convert the file.

 - some other filter is on.  This means sending the file as input to
   a command, then slurping it up somewhere until its length has been
   determined for the beginning of the blob header

 - The blob being added to the repository is already in the repository,
   so it would be a waste of time to compress and write it again.

Some of these already don’t have great performance for large files
(autocrlf and filters), and I suspect there is room for improvement
for many of them.

Jonathan

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-18 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20100211234753.22574.48799.reportbug@gibbs.hungrycats.org>
2010-02-12  0:27 ` Bug#569505: git-core: 'git add' corrupts repository if the working directory is modified as it runs Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-12  1:23   ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-13 12:12     ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-13 13:39       ` Ilari Liusvaara
2010-02-13 14:39         ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-13 16:29           ` Ilari Liusvaara
2010-02-13 22:09             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-13 22:37               ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-14  1:18                 ` [PATCH] don't use mmap() to hash files Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14  1:37                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:18                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14  3:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14 11:14                         ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-14 11:46                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  1:53                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14  2:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:42                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 11:07                       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-02-14 11:55                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-14 18:10                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:06                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 19:22                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:28                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:56                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 23:52                                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-15  5:05                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15 12:23                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-15  7:48                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-15 12:25                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 19:55                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 23:13                           ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15  4:16                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15  5:01                               ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15  5:48                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15 19:19                                   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15 19:29                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-14  3:05                   ` [PATCH v2] " Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-18  1:16                   ` [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  1:20                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 15:32                       ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19 17:51                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  1:38                     ` Jeff King
2010-02-18  4:55                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18  5:36                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  7:27                           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2010-02-18 16:18                             ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-18 18:12                               ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2010-02-18 18:35                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 12:59                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-22 13:33                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-18 10:14                     ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-18 18:16                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 19:58                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18 20:11                           ` 16 gig, 350,000 file repository Bill Lear
2010-02-18 20:58                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-19  9:27                               ` Erik Faye-Lund
2010-02-22 22:20                               ` Bill Lear
2010-02-22 22:31                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18 20:14                           ` [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid Peter Harris
2010-02-18 20:17                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 21:30                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-19  1:04                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-19 15:26                                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19 17:52                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-19 19:08                                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19  8:28                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-19 17:52                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-20 19:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-21  7:21                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-21 19:32                             ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22  3:35                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22  6:59                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 12:25                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 15:40                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 16:01                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 17:31                                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-22 18:01                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 19:56                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 20:52                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 18:05                                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 18:14                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-14  1:36   ` mmap with MAP_PRIVATE is useless (was Re: Bug#569505: git-core: 'git add' corrupts repository if the working directory is modified as it runs) Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-14  1:53     ` mmap with MAP_PRIVATE is useless Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:11       ` Paolo Bonzini

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