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From: Zygo Blaxell <zblaxell@gibbs.hungrycats.org>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com>,
	Ilari Liusvaara <ilari.liusvaara@elisanet.fi>,
	Thomas Rast <trast@student.ethz.ch>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:31:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100222173122.GG11733@gibbs.hungrycats.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1002221033120.1946@xanadu.home>

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:40:59AM -0500, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> > Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com> writes:
> > > But overall the outcome is clear -- read() is always a winner.
> > 
> > "... a winner, below 128kB; above that the difference is within noise and
> > measurement error"?
> 
> read() is not always a winner.  A read() call will always have the data 
> duplicated in memory.  Especially with large files, it is more efficient 
> on the system as a whole to mmap() a 50 MB file rather than allocating 
> an extra 50 MB of anonymous memory that cannot be paged out (except to 
> the swap file which would be yet another data duplication).  With mmap() 
> when there is memory pressure the read-only mapped memory is simply 
> dropped with no extra IO.

That holds if you're comparing read() and mmap() of the entire file as a
single chunk, instead of in fixed-size chunks at the sweet spot between
syscall overhead and CPU cache size.

If you're read()ing a chunk at a time into a fixed size buffer, and
doing sha1 and deflate in chunks, the data should be copied once into CPU
cache, processed with both algorithms, and replaced with new data from
the next chunk.  The data will be copied from the page cache instead
of directly mapped, which is a small overhead, but setting up the page
map in mmap() also a small overhead, so you have to use benchmarks to
know which of the overheads is smaller.  It might be that there's no
one answer that applies to all CPU configurations.

If you're doing mmap() and sha1 and deflate of a 50MB file in two
separate passes that are the same size as the file, you load 50MB of
data into CPU cache at least twice, you get two sets of associated
things like TLB misses, and if the file is very large, you page it from
disk twice.  So it might make sense to process in chunks regardless
of read() vs mmap() fetching the data.

If you're malloc()ing 50MB, you're wasting memory and CPU bandwidth
making up pages full of zeros before you've even processed the first byte.
I don't see how that could ever be faster for large file cases.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-22 17:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20100211234753.22574.48799.reportbug@gibbs.hungrycats.org>
2010-02-12  0:27 ` Bug#569505: git-core: 'git add' corrupts repository if the working directory is modified as it runs Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-12  1:23   ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-13 12:12     ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-13 13:39       ` Ilari Liusvaara
2010-02-13 14:39         ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-13 16:29           ` Ilari Liusvaara
2010-02-13 22:09             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-13 22:37               ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-14  1:18                 ` [PATCH] don't use mmap() to hash files Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14  1:37                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:18                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14  3:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14 11:14                         ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-14 11:46                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  1:53                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14  2:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:42                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 11:07                       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-02-14 11:55                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-14 18:10                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:06                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 19:22                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:28                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-02-14 19:56                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 23:52                                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-15  5:05                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15 12:23                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-15  7:48                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-15 12:25                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 19:55                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-14 23:13                           ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15  4:16                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15  5:01                               ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15  5:48                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-15 19:19                                   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-02-15 19:29                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-14  3:05                   ` [PATCH v2] " Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-18  1:16                   ` [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  1:20                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 15:32                       ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19 17:51                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  1:38                     ` Jeff King
2010-02-18  4:55                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18  5:36                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18  7:27                           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2010-02-18 16:18                             ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-18 18:12                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-18 18:35                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 12:59                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-22 13:33                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-18 10:14                     ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-18 18:16                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 19:58                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18 20:11                           ` 16 gig, 350,000 file repository Bill Lear
2010-02-18 20:58                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-19  9:27                               ` Erik Faye-Lund
2010-02-22 22:20                               ` Bill Lear
2010-02-22 22:31                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-18 20:14                           ` [PATCH] Teach "git add" and friends to be paranoid Peter Harris
2010-02-18 20:17                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 21:30                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-19  1:04                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-02-19 15:26                                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19 17:52                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-19 19:08                                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2010-02-19  8:28                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-19 17:52                       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-20 19:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-21  7:21                           ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-21 19:32                             ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22  3:35                               ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22  6:59                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 12:25                                   ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 15:40                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 16:01                                     ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 17:31                                     ` Zygo Blaxell [this message]
2010-02-22 18:01                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 19:56                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-22 20:52                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-22 18:05                                       ` Dmitry Potapov
2010-02-22 18:14                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-14  1:36   ` mmap with MAP_PRIVATE is useless (was Re: Bug#569505: git-core: 'git add' corrupts repository if the working directory is modified as it runs) Paolo Bonzini
2010-02-14  1:53     ` mmap with MAP_PRIVATE is useless Junio C Hamano
2010-02-14  2:11       ` Paolo Bonzini

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