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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Ben Peart <peartben@gmail.com>,
	Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, pclouds@gmail.com,
	Ben Peart <benpeart@microsoft.com>,
	jonathantanmy@google.com, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] index: offer advice for unknown index extensions
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:57:00 -0800
Message-ID: <20181121045700.GC245855@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqpnuz83f9.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com>

Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com> writes:

>> Now, a meta point.  Throughout this discussion, I have been hoping for
>> some acknowledgement of the problem --- e.g. an "I am sympathetic to
>> what you are trying to do, but <X>".  I wasn't able to find that, and
>> that is part of what contributed to the feeling of not being heard.
[...]
> And seeing the same "let's not enable the new extension" patch again
> without much improved justification contributed greatly to the
> feeling of not being heard.

Thanks for the pointer.  I had not understood before that you were
unhappy with those commit messages.

The commit message describes symptoms and the motivation for the
change.  I was confused at the original replies to patch 1 and 2 that
seemed to be more about patch 3; patch 1 and 2 are meaningful without
patch 3, so it would be odd to include a justification for patch 3 in
their commit message.

That said, it sounds like their commit messages are not adequate.  I'd
appreciate help from someone else to improve them.

>                              The feeling is mutual.

I was trying to diagnose what was going wrong with the conversation so
as to move things forward on a better footing.  It seems I only
escalated things more. :(

Sorry about that, and I hope there's some way to move forward.

What is the best way to handle this?  I am feeling somewhat burnt by
this review process.  If Ben and I, working together, are able to come
up with a series that we both like, will you consider it for 2.20?  Is
there some other trusted contributor, such as Peff or Duy, that you
would trust to represent your wishes so I can pursue their Reviewed-by
without risking getting burnt in the same way again?

Jonathan

  reply index

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-23 15:41 [PATCH v1] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-08-23 17:31 ` Stefan Beller
2018-08-23 19:44   ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 18:40   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-28 14:53     ` Ben Peart
2018-08-23 18:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-23 20:33   ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 15:37     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 15:57       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 17:28         ` Ben Peart
2018-08-25  6:44         ` [PATCH] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-27 19:36           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-28 19:25             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-28 23:54               ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:14               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-04 16:08             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-02 13:19           ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-09-02 13:19             ` [PATCH v2 1/1] read-cache.c: " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-09-04 18:58               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-04 19:31               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-24 18:20       ` [PATCH v1] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 18:40         ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 19:00           ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 19:57             ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Ben Peart
2018-08-29 15:25   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:14     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-29 21:35       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-03 19:16     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-29 15:25   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] read-cache: load cache extensions on worker thread Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:12     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-29 21:42       ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 22:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-03 19:21     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-03 19:27       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-29 15:25   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] read-cache: micro-optimize expand_name_field() to speed up V4 index parsing Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03   ` [PATCH v3 1/4] read-cache: optimize expand_name_field() to speed up V4 index parsing Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03   ` [PATCH v3 2/4] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-07 17:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 20:23       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08  6:29         ` Martin Ågren
2018-09-08 14:03           ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 17:08             ` Martin Ågren
2018-09-06 21:03   ` [PATCH v3 3/4] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-07 21:10     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-08 14:56       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03   ` [PATCH v3 4/4] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-07  4:16     ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-09-07 13:43       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-07 17:21   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 18:31     ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 13:18     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] " Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26   ` [PATCH v4 1/5] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26   ` [PATCH v4 2/5] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26   ` [PATCH v4 3/5] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26   ` [PATCH v4 4/5] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26   ` [PATCH v4 5/5] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-12 14:34   ` [PATCH v4 0/5] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 " Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18   ` [PATCH v5 1/5] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-13 22:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-15 10:02     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 14:54       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-17 16:05         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:31           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-17 17:38             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 19:08               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-12 16:18   ` [PATCH v5 2/5] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-15 10:22     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-15 10:24       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 16:38         ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 16:23       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-17 16:26       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-17 16:45         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 21:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-12 16:18   ` [PATCH v5 3/5] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-09-15 10:31     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:25       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 11:07     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-15 11:09       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 18:52         ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 11:29     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-12 16:18   ` [PATCH v5 4/5] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18   ` [PATCH v5 5/5] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54   ` [PATCH v6 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54   ` [PATCH v6 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54   ` [PATCH v6 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-28  0:19     ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-28 18:38       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-29  0:51     ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-29  5:45     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-29 18:24       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-26 19:54   ` [PATCH v6 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-09-28  0:26     ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-28 13:39       ` Ben Peart
2018-09-28 17:07         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-28 19:41           ` Ben Peart
2018-09-28 20:30             ` Ramsay Jones
2018-09-28 22:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-01 13:17                 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:06                   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-26 19:54   ` [PATCH v6 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54   ` [PATCH v6 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54   ` [PATCH v6 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-09-26 22:06   ` [PATCH v6 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Junio C Hamano
2018-09-27 17:13   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 " Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45   ` [PATCH v7 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45   ` [PATCH v7 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:10     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45   ` [PATCH v7 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:17     ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-02 14:34       ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:30     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 15:13       ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45   ` [PATCH v7 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45   ` [PATCH v7 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:50     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 15:00       ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45   ` [PATCH v7 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-01 16:27     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 16:34       ` Ben Peart
2018-10-02 17:02         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45   ` [PATCH v7 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-10-01 17:09     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 19:09       ` Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59   ` [PATCH v8 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59   ` [PATCH v8 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59   ` [PATCH v8 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59   ` [PATCH v8 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59   ` [PATCH v8 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59   ` [PATCH v8 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59   ` [PATCH v8 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-10-19 16:11     ` Jeff King
2018-10-22  2:14       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-22 14:40         ` Ben Peart
2018-10-12  3:18   ` [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Junio C Hamano
2018-10-14 12:28   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-15 17:33     ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13  0:38   ` [PATCH 0/3] Avoid confusing messages from new index extensions (Re: [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization) Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13  0:39     ` [PATCH 1/3] eoie: default to not writing EOIE section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13  1:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 15:14         ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 18:25           ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14  1:36             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-15  0:19               ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13  0:39     ` [PATCH 2/3] ieot: default to not writing IEOT section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13  0:58       ` Jonathan Tan
2018-11-13  1:09       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13  1:12         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 15:37           ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-13 18:09         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 15:22       ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 18:18         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 19:15           ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 21:08             ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14 18:09               ` Ben Peart
2018-11-15  0:05                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14  3:05         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20  6:09           ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Avoid confusing messages from new index extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20  6:11             ` [PATCH 1/5] eoie: default to not writing EOIE section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:06               ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20 13:21                 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-21 16:46                   ` Jeff King
2018-11-22  0:47                     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 15:01               ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20  6:12             ` [PATCH 2/5] ieot: default to not writing IEOT section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:07               ` Ben Peart
2018-11-26 19:59                 ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-26 21:47                   ` Ben Peart
2018-11-26 22:02                     ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-27  0:50                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20  6:12             ` [PATCH 3/5] index: do not warn about unrecognized extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20  6:14             ` [PATCH 4/5] index: make index.threads=true enable ieot and eoie Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:24               ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20  6:15             ` [PATCH 5/5] index: offer advice for unknown index extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20  9:26               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 13:30                 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-21  0:22                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21  0:39                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21  0:44                       ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21  5:01                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21  5:04                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21  5:15                         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21  5:31                           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21  1:03                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21  4:23                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21  4:57                         ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2018-11-21  9:30                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-13  0:40     ` [PATCH 3/3] index: do not warn about unrecognized extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13  1:10       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 15:25       ` Ben Peart
2018-11-14  3:24       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-14 18:19         ` Ben Peart

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